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Old 25 Feb 2003, 21:13 (Ref:517704)   #16
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Hi, Mike. We,ve already ruled out Lydden even though it's one of the closest to us. Partly because we're not impressed by the ciruit or facilities so, as we're probably going to have to miss some rounds, that may as well be one.
Anglesey we quite liked last year but if everyone else was OK we'd certainly consider it.
I don't think the idea will get off the ground though. If we do something like that, we'll probably be blown out of the water for next year. We're not supposed to play a part in these decisions!
WE may well also miss BH. Again, it's close to us but there'll probably be no opportunity to test again, and it will certainly be one of the higher entry fees, shortest track time, being a short lap.
Early days yet but we'll certainly not be able to do all the rounds.
Any news about the reverse gear yet?
Thanks for the addresses Rod. I will certainly register my disappointment.
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Old 25 Feb 2003, 21:41 (Ref:517739)   #17
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The whole business drives me nuts. If I had the reported 6 million needed, I'd buy Cadwell and invite everyone for the price of a couple of pints.
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Old 25 Feb 2003, 22:10 (Ref:517755)   #18
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Peter, sorry I went off at a tangent
As far as I am aware we are stuck with the reverse gear, weird since Monoposto cars don't need it and it's not a safety issue.
Things have to change and pretty quickly, or our type of racing will disappear. My solution is for clubs to join forces and organize meetings direct with the circuits, on a strict business basis. If charges are too high go somewhere else for a better deal. It may be that the circuits make all they want from trackdays which would leave me up the creek without the proverbial paddle, but I doubt that's the case.
I gather the recently formed Association of Racing Car Clubs is little more than a talking shop and has no intention of running meetings which is a pity because it sounds like what I have in mind.
On a different subject, is it right that you made your own Stack system speed sensor? If so can you do one for me since his nibs knocked it off whilst attacking a Formula Ford.
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Old 25 Feb 2003, 22:20 (Ref:517761)   #19
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The BRSCC must have a huge amount of costs to justify the amount they are charging for entry fees. The only answer I seem to have seen about it is that the circuit costs are driving them up and its been the same for years. The only way to stop them going up is to organise a national boycott but in racing this just wont happen because of the nature of it, there will always be someone who says "hang on with him/her not doing it I could win this!" so I doubt that's going to work.

I for one cant afford it anymore 300 before the entry fee is a lot of money without a sponsor its a shame but I cant see the trend reversing because there will always be someone about to pay it.

I have just downloaded the entry form from the brscc web site for the first race at Brands (http://www.brscc.co.uk) and RMR is right its 190. Is Bernard Cottrell the man who makes the decisions regarding entry fees? I will write to him and find out who is if he isnt.

If the circuit costs put the entries up why not have a system whereby the more entries the less the entry fee?

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Old 25 Feb 2003, 22:52 (Ref:517790)   #20
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How about getting your Championship organisor to complain on all of its entrants behalfs-maybe get them to threaten to perhaps go to another club where fees are less? If the organisor isnt willing then get your fellow championship drivers ALL to register their disaproval! Spread the word NOW.
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Old 25 Feb 2003, 22:57 (Ref:517793)   #21
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Combe is owned by one of the BRSCC vice presedents, so I cant see them changing to another club.

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Old 26 Feb 2003, 00:45 (Ref:517841)   #22
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hmm, once again action springs to mind!
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Old 26 Feb 2003, 08:26 (Ref:518084)   #23
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We did make up a wheel speed sensor but it's a PI system not stack. at the end of the day they're just transducers that you can get from RS for about 20 which is better than paying about 100. you just have to determine whether it's PNP or NPN (POS/NEG) and solder on the original connection.
The reverse gear thing is a joke. The only reason it's not been changed is because nobody, amongst those who plan and approve the regs. could be bothered to even read through them. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. How else could thye allow engines from certain years but stipulate that any parts in them must be from earlier years, which wouldn't fit, and specify a rear light that is 2-3 times greater in area than anybody used last year or will this year and can't be mounted as per the regs either? (Exactly as they did last year)
Mattray, you're exactly right in your analysis of the mindset of the racer. The big question is why is the BRSCC so much more expensive than the BARC for one?
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Old 26 Feb 2003, 12:23 (Ref:518288)   #24
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The big question is why is the BRSCC so much more expensive than the BARC for one?
I think that very much has to do with the amount of failures the BRSCC has had in recent years. I seem to recall them ploughing big money into the Eurocar championship, and also the Interactive Sports Cars, which mysteriously disappeared.

I'm speculating here, but I think the BRSCC are still trying to recoup their losses from those championships. Certainly none of the other clubs are giving us the 'circuits are raising their fees' spiel. I may be wrong, but I also think it's just the BRSCC that have put the prices up this year - can any 750mc / BRSC members confirm?
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Old 26 Feb 2003, 13:47 (Ref:518369)   #25
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If what you say is true, does that mean they were 'gambling' the revenue from the clubbies on buying in a future money spinner?
There's another point. It's in my mind that the BRSCC is owned by Octagon. I'm not sure where I got it from but remember it from somewhere. Can anybody definitively confirm / refute?
That would explain things.
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Old 26 Feb 2003, 13:48 (Ref:518370)   #26
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I think Combe 1600s are 165?
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Old 26 Feb 2003, 14:52 (Ref:518412)   #27
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last year most place were the same price around 160 which was 15 more then the year before. All except Donnington which was 175 so now Brands is 190 I dread to see what Donnington is going to be!!

your right Combe is still 165 which is around the limit of what I would pay and a lot of other people I race against!

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Old 26 Feb 2003, 16:30 (Ref:518477)   #28
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Last year we were paying 175 for single and 250 for double headers - BRSCC. In the same series, but for BARC rounds we paid 140 for single races. Testing was 125 at Anglesey, 195 at BH, Oulton and Snet and an unbelievable 390 at Donington (And they still charge 2 for CC). It looks like this year will we 190 and 275 for race entries. If we get 15 mins qual and race thats around 6.50 per lap at least.
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Old 26 Feb 2003, 21:52 (Ref:518757)   #29
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Just mailed the BRSCC

Just mailed the BRSCC,

just done some simple math. I race in the castle combe FF1600 championship, and assuming every race is a single event (2 are double headers but lets assume) if I compete in all 8 rounds (1 less than last year) my race entry fee is up 320 from last year.

I have lost 1 round and pay an extra 320 per year ???
Not to mention that the 2 double headers are not the standard 190 ??

Coupled with the new transponder rules my grand total is 500 extra this year just to compete, and loose 1 round. I have not even got the car out of the garage yet.

Still being new to all this is this the norm each year, a crippling bill just to actually turn up ????

I have mailed the BRSCC asking what extra I get for my money ?

Looks like there goes my hopes of joining in the king of kent mini series, or even the festivals this year.

Thanks BRSCC
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Old 27 Feb 2003, 00:45 (Ref:518834)   #30
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SEMSEC? 25 membership, super low entry fees, being able to do three races on one day for the cost of one at the other end of the county at brands, intersting cars, mixed grids, good fun. Its what clubbing should be. Lydden and Combe are the only two venues I know of that have got it right.
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