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Old 6 Dec 2021, 07:45 (Ref:4087129)   #1
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TCR Australia 2022

Any word on next years calendar. Will TCR, S5000, TA and TCM still be with Shannon’s or will Shannon’s become little more than proddies and old Porsche’s?
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Old 9 Dec 2021, 01:15 (Ref:4087821)   #2
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I hear J Moff wont be back in Trans am.... not 100% onthat
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Old 9 Dec 2021, 03:59 (Ref:4087839)   #3
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Well, here's a start.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/12/09...HfW_4h4vN90K_0
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Old 9 Dec 2021, 23:00 (Ref:4088033)   #4
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You'd think with a dearth of large commercial backing and the series needing to stand on it's own two feet, that Shannons provides a lower cost than running on the Supercar card.
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You'd think with a dearth of large commercial backing and the series needing to stand on it's own two feet, that Shannons provides a lower cost than running on the Supercar card.
I think with the ownership crossover we are going to see a lot more of Supercar drivers competing in both TCR and GT.That means keeping their calendars separate.
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I think with the ownership crossover we are going to see a lot more of Supercar drivers competing in both TCR and GT.That means keeping their calendars separate.
If we are competing for the same eyes is it not the best approach?

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When I have a crack at some on here saying that they're not really interested in racing, I can see it causes some offence.

But you can see from Mixer's comment above, there is reason to have the opinion.

He talks about TCR like it's another sport. It reminds me of the way I hear AFL identities downplay the NRL.

It's wrong.
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Old 13 Dec 2021, 01:29 (Ref:4089099)   #8
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Calendar announced:

1 Symmons Plains Tasmania February 11-13
2 Phillip Island Victoria March 18-20
3 Mount Panorama (Bathurst 6 Hour) NSW April 15-17
4 TBA NSW TBA
5 Queensland Raceway Queensland August 5-7
6 Sandown Victoria September 16-18
7 Mount Panorama (Bathurst International) NSW November 11-13

SA & WA premiers paying for their border games?

Glad to see Symmons, PI & Sandown there - excellent tracks for these cars.

They put on a show at Symmons, but perhaps for the wrong reasons

Thoughts?
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Very spaced out calendar, not sure if that’s good or bad. Presumably SMP is the TBA date.

As the final round is listed for Bathurst international, that makes it pretty clear that 2-driver TCR 500 is off the table again.

I don’t like going to Bathurst for two sprint rounds in only a 7 round calendar
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Very spaced out calendar, not sure if that’s good or bad. Presumably SMP is the TBA date.

As the final round is listed for Bathurst international, that makes it pretty clear that 2-driver TCR 500 is off the table again.

I don’t like going to Bathurst for two sprint rounds in only a 7 round calendar
Yeah - big gap in the middle isn't there?

Maybe they've focussed on Bathurst not just because it's a special place but also because they feel more secure with lockdowns etc by running there?

Interesting that TCR isn't (so far) going to The Bend either - at this stage no TCR or Supercars there, wonder if there'll be a Shannons round there at all? Possible that it's all under negotiation of course but it does make you wonder what's behind it.
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As the final round is listed for Bathurst international, that makes it pretty clear that 2-driver TCR 500 is off the table again.
Is this just purely competitors ruling it out on a cost basis?

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I tend to agree.

You wonder why they don't take the opportunity to even do a 3-hour enduro on the Saturday of one of the other events or something. New Showroom Showdown.

Other than running costs, is there resistance to make changes to the cars for endurance running?

Surely even their own class at the 12 hour or something would be worthwhile.
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When I have a crack at some on here saying that they're not really interested in racing, I can see it causes some offence.
I get a bit P'd off when I see some people make stupid comments and they have never sat in a race car and would not have a clue about what happens. That anyone shows an interest in the sport at any level is a plus because the sport is slowly becoming less relevant in todays world.
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When I have a crack at some on here saying that they're not really interested in racing, I can see it causes some offence.
This statement sums up a lot - your posts have a crack at some [people], and not the posts themselves.

Why does a post have to be 'at' someone? You also note that the posts cause some offence - maybe consider the tone if they are offensive?
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Is this just purely competitors ruling it out on a cost basis?



I tend to agree.

You wonder why they don't take the opportunity to even do a 3-hour enduro on the Saturday of one of the other events or something. New Showroom Showdown.

Other than running costs, is there resistance to make changes to the cars for endurance running?

Surely even their own class at the 12 hour or something would be worthwhile.
Most teams struggle to afford to keep cars running for 3 hours of tracktime over a whole weekend.

There's a fair bit of difference between a sprint racing TCR car, and an endurance-spec TCR car. Not many constructors offer them. Not outside of the big three (VAG, Honda and Hyundai). However, it really depends on how the endurance race is laid out.

There are endurance-spec engines and gearboxes, electrics packages, and refuelling setups. All seemingly expensive items.

Honestly, outside of teams subsidised by a benefactor or the promotor, no one else is going to bother.

TCR Benelux. before the promotor went bust, had kind of the right idea. A mixture of privateers and hired guns, 4 sprint races, 2 drivers per car, both drivers did two races, and somehow an overall podium was detirmined. 2-driver deal, mixed up fields, and no additional expenses around re-configuring cars for one race a year. They did two full seasons of that, so perhaps over-gimmicky? But for one weekend a year, worthy of consideration.
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I get a bit P'd off when I see some people make stupid comments and they have never sat in a race car and would not have a clue about what happens. That anyone shows an interest in the sport at any level is a plus because the sport is slowly becoming less relevant in todays world.
Not so sure about the relevance. Sport seems most relevant at its highest level, be it F1 or Supercars & that is not unique in Aus sport more generally.

TCR is looking for a niche & as a motorsport enthusiast I hope it can make the grade in very difficult times. Based on what I saw at Bathurst it is not a procession, good racing, so the pieces are there IF its management can fund it to build the image of its main players.

What is the significance of the Bathurst International to see out the 2022 program ? Will we see some of the internationals, factory drivers?
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