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Old 29 Jun 2007, 04:09 (Ref:1949389)   #76
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Bt38/19

I bought BT38/19 from Tom Foster (Foster Farms, Calif), and in July,1978 sold the roller to Kevin Skinner in B.C.. Tom was the last one to race this chassis as I only used the engine.
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Old 29 Jun 2007, 07:07 (Ref:1949449)   #77
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Welcome! Good to have you on the forum.
Was this the car that had earlier been used by Mike Rocke?

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Old 2 Jul 2007, 03:30 (Ref:1951957)   #78
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Bt38/19

I don't know. My interest in buying this car was to get a good engine fast. With some spares it was a good deal. The bodywork is/was blue.
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Old 30 Nov 2007, 00:50 (Ref:2078346)   #79
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Bt38-12

Time to wake up BT38 listers.

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BT38-12 F2

'72 Rondel Motul car Bob Wollek & Henri Pescarolo
'73 Jackie Pretorius S. Africa
'74-'75 John Amm S. Africa
????
'97-'98 Thomas Koch

sold to present owner Terry Allard, Colorado

may be available after restoration completed.

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Old 23 Jan 2008, 09:16 (Ref:2111811)   #80
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Old 18 Feb 2008, 09:24 (Ref:2131597)   #81
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In the MN report (22-12-77) on the above, it was said that Eddie Heasells' BT38C is thought to be Peter Hull's 1973 F3 car. It was fitted with a Delta nose. Another Brabham at the test day was Mike Whatley's BT21 with 743 bodywork. This was said to be ex Alan Joy and Graham Bowskill in Monoposto Formula.

This might help with linking cars
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Old 21 Feb 2008, 17:37 (Ref:2134379)   #82
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In the MN report (22-12-77) on the above, it was said that Eddie Heasells' BT38C is thought to be Peter Hull's 1973 F3 car. It was fitted with a Delta nose. Another Brabham at the test day was Mike Whatley's BT21 with 743 bodywork. This was said to be ex Alan Joy and Graham Bowskill in Monoposto Formula.

This might help with linking cars
Many thanks Alan. Whatley's BT21 was very likely the ex Tony Dean BT15 [F3.20.65]
Goes to Barrie Maskell, 1966-68 then Keith Wright [1969] Alan Joy has it 1970 and then Bowskill 71-74 before Whatley gets it.

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Old 22 Feb 2008, 00:57 (Ref:2134647)   #83
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Just started reading this thread - good to see the old 38 is still remembered.

I worked for Graham Hill in 1972 - his BT38 was run by KAYDON Racing - Dave Kaylor and Peter Donnelly - ( both ex-Brabham) out of an old stables in Cobham, Surrey and then out of Mo Gomm's workshops in Old Woking - alongside Tom Belso's BT38, run by Brian Lewis under the Team Viking banner. and various other occasional visitors, inc Wilson Fittipaldi's BT38, ( run by Richard Divilla ) and Dave Brodie's "Run Baby Run" Escort .

Delivery of the BT38 was delayed and Graham borrowed his 1971 car ( BT36 - Rondel Racing) back from Chris Meek - Tate of Leeds - for the Thruxton Easter meeting which he won. That car was in Tate of Leeds colours - the BT38 ran as Jagermeister all year. ( and the ornate script logos were hand-painted - the circular ones - of a Stags head - were decals)

The first BT38 chassis he had was damaged in a startline accident at Crystal Palace - and the car was rebuilt around a new tub - the old tub was repaired and returned to the team, I think after we returned from Imola. It was not used again during the season and I left before the car was sold so I don't know what happened to it.

He won the Monza lottery in the rebuilt car and just after that was when I joined the team. It is possible the new chassis was the one without a plate as it was a spare purchased ( although knowing GH, probably on extended loan!) from the Brabham factory in Addlestone.
As we only had the one car we did not need to be "flexible" with chassis numbers for Customs Carnet purposes - so no "velcro" chassis plate required.

The car ran in 1972 with 2 engines a Felday unit - which was I believe almost 2 litres and a Racing Services ( Ken Britten, then based in Twickenham) unit - around 1800 cc. The RS engine was less powerful but more reliable, the Felday was prone to spewing oil out everywhere ( ask John Surtees @ Imola - he finished the race with most of GH's oil in his face!).

At the end of 1972 the car was being prepared to go to South America for the end of season Temporada Series - and hopefully be sold there - but the Shadow F1 project intervened and the plans were cancelled.

This was last F2 car Graham Hill drove I think and the only Monocoque.

I would like to know where the car went - I have seen comments that it might have ended up as a Can-Am car ?.

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Old 22 Feb 2008, 01:55 (Ref:2134673)   #84
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Hi

Just to correct myself - Hill won the 71 Easter weekend race @ Thruxton in the BT36 - not '72. - Senility strikes!

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Old 22 Feb 2008, 02:11 (Ref:2134682)   #85
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Ian, Hill ran 36-1 at Hockenheim too, by then painted in Jagermeister colours, I have two photos from that weekend, I had assumed they were all decals, lot of work there.
The result of C-P accident with the BT38 is on DVD, (the name of which escapes me at the moment!)

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Old 22 Feb 2008, 11:30 (Ref:2134905)   #86
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Ian, Hill ran 36-1 at Hockenheim too, by then painted in Jagermeister colours, I have two photos from that weekend, I had assumed they were all decals, lot of work there.
The result of C-P accident with the BT38 is on DVD, (the name of which escapes me at the moment!)

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It's called F2 Heroes, with great footage from both seasons.

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Old 22 Feb 2008, 12:45 (Ref:2134976)   #87
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Graham Hill rounds Lodge Corner

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Old 22 Feb 2008, 15:04 (Ref:2135083)   #88
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Steve - Thank you for the photograph - that brings back some happy memories.

I am pleased to see that my all hard work in polishing the wheels shows up well in the photo.! Dave Kaylor (and GH) was very hot on the car looking smart and it always was.

That weekend @ Oulton Park I was on "double-duty" - helping Brian Lewis on Tom Belso's car.

I seem to remember that I helped Brian change an engine in the Oulton Park paddock - just lifted it out and put the new one in - no hoist, nothing, and we were just on the muddy grass - how things have changed !.

We must have missed something as Tom Belso only lasted 1 lap !.8-((
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Old 22 Feb 2008, 15:09 (Ref:2135087)   #89
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Is that DVD still available ? - F2 Heroes ?

The accident at C-P was that with Gerry Birrell ?? - I think that GH may have been slow off the line - the car had had a fuel filter collapse in practice or warm-up and there was a lot of rubbish in the fuel system and they had been frantically cleaning it out before the race.
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Old 8 Mar 2008, 00:49 (Ref:2146645)   #90
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The Hill BT38/1 was fitted with a wide nose and front radiator during '72 - I am not sure if that was for aerodynamics or cooling reasons ( or just the fashion at the time ) and cannot remember if it raced in that form - would have been the Sept Salzburg round or the October Hockenheim.
I think he was 4th in Austria and 5th in Germany.

Has anyone seen any photographs from those races. 8-)
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Old 8 Mar 2008, 10:28 (Ref:2146813)   #91
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The Above was taken on the 16th September at Oulton Park, so the wide nose hadn't put in appearance at this point.

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If it was the same design as the nose that Hill used towards the end of '71 the answer was ground effects though they didn't realise it at the time.
I spoke to Neil Trundle a couple of years ago and I mentioned that they were darn heavy, did they work? Yes was the reply, have a look underneath and you will see why.
Clearly an effective low pressure area.
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The Hill BT38/1 was fitted with a wide nose and front radiator during '72 - I am not sure if that was for aerodynamics or cooling reasons ( or just the fashion at the time ) and cannot remember if it raced in that form - would have been the Sept Salzburg round or the October Hockenheim.
I think he was 4th in Austria and 5th in Germany.

Has anyone seen any photographs from those races. 8-)
http://www.jonathangreaves.com/page2.htm

There is a pic of that nose on the above site.
Jonathon posts here or TNF (can't remember which). Excellent photos.


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[quote=IHB33]Is that DVD still available ? - F2 Heroes ?

http://www.qv500.com/onboard/hales.php

Scroll down the page a bit. It appears to be still available here.

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Old 31 May 2008, 19:05 (Ref:2216104)   #96
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Back to my "nose" fetish again - I have found a picture in John Tipler's book - Graham Hill- Master of Motorsport - page 181 if I remember correctly - showing the BT38 at Rouen in June '72 with a nose very similar to the BT36 nose - with an opening for a front radiator.
On Jonathan Greaves' site - the car is at Hockenheim in October '72 and has a "wide nose" but has reverted to side radiators.

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I have a little more on this Osprey business. The two people who built the Osprey, Jack Finucan and Dan Hartill, bought the "ex-Hill Formula 2 Brabham BT34[sic]" from Chuck Dietrich along with some Lola T294 bodywork and a pair of FVCs. Jack recalls that Dietrich was importing quite a bit of stuff from Europe.

It would have been pretty old by this time. Any of this helpful? From reading the threads, it appears more likely to be a BT38 than a BT36.

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Dean Dietrich f/s AW 20.3.76 p.32 'ex Hill F2 car' Hart BDA; still f/s 26.6.76 p.39
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Dean Dietrich makes more sense than Chuck. Thanks Chris.

I don't have any results for Dean Dietrich before the start of the 1977 Can-Am season (he had a Lola T292). Do you know if he was racing a Brabham in SCCA before then?
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I don't have any records of Dean Dietrich racing this car, but then my 1975 SCCA results are incomplete. Chuck Dietrich shows up quite a bit, but that was a BT38B that he'd had for a few years.
I think Dean D may have just traded the car on.
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It had a BDA Hart in it. Does that make sense with what you know of the history of BT38/1?
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