Chevron B42

[Chris Townsend]

Dan

Parsons didn't have a regular car in 1979. He had a big accident in March, before the season started, fracturing his skull. Phoenix Park was his first race that season. I agree that the B42 might have been his B34 as he's in that car at Kirkistown 6 October and again in 1980. But equally he might have tried out a new car to see if it was worth buying.

Candy didn't use his regular B29-04, Autosport says that was handed over to P.J.Fallon.

My interest is what happens to all these B42s, because apart from Templeton's car, McGarrity's 02 [bought from England in 1980] and Gibson's 08 none of them crops up the following year.

Chris

[Dan Rear]

Chris, as you know Parsons was out at the first UK Atlantic race at MP in March 79, in the B34. Did he fracture his skull after this race, then have the summer recuperating 'til Phoenix Park?

[Chris Townsend]

Dan, that's right, after Mallory but before Irish season got underway. Maybe the B42 at Phoenix Park was because he recovered before the B34 did!

Chris

[Dan Rear]

I wonder is any of these 'Phoenix Park/mystery' B42s that year were English based ones hired for that race. We know that a good number were out in FAt/Aurora that year over here - Dean/Robinson x4, Booth, Rackham, Brill, Stokes, Regout. Could any of these have been loaned for the race? Possible, tho' unlikely I guess, as the reports surely would have mentioned the hires.

Anything further dublinguy yet on the O'Leary B48?

[ROGER JORDAN]

Hi all , thanks to Dublinguy for adding some more deteai to the mystery of the disappearing B42`s as you know I`m particularly interested in my chassis B42 78 06 just to update from this end, after a break since 1994 I am starting the rebuild, moving up to a 4 litre Rover V8 and would like to have a play again !! I definitely want to have a go at Shelsley at some time, it would be good to join Peter Cox and get two B42`s running together.
Cheers Roger.

[dublinguy]

Gary Gibson (Mc) Chevron B53 )leads from Colin Lees (Ralt?), Trevor Templeton (Ralt), Bill Gowdy (Chevron B42 78 08), Tom O Leary (Ralt), Pauric Mooney (Chevron B40?), Unknown in Chevron B? , Unknown in Chevron B42 78 06). Please fill in gaps , I am trying to track down more info here but like the cars alot of people have emm moved on !

[dublinguy]

This is a picture of Vivian Candy in Mondello Park in B42 78 06. this is the ex Opert car / Boy Hayje. It raced in Ireland from 1979 possibly untill 1982.
Hope you enjoy this Roger !

[Chris Townsend]

Originally Posted by dublinguy

Gary Gibson (Mc) Chevron B53 )leads from Colin Lees (Ralt?), Trevor Templeton (Ralt), Bill Gowdy (Chevron B42 78 08), Tom O Leary (Ralt), Pauric Mooney (Chevron B40?), Unknown in Chevron B? , Unknown in Chevron B42 78 06). Please fill in gaps , I am trying to track down more info here but like the cars alot of people have emm moved on !

The white car at the back is, I think, a Modus M3. When was the picture taken? Templeton had an RT4 by June 82. The Chevron at the back maybe Tony Skinner

Chris

[dublinguy]

The picture was taken in 1982. The car at the very back, white with red is the same colour as the pictured above car (B42 78 06) Not sure who was driving but Candy was not driving Ireland at that stage.The all white could be a Modus alright maybe driven by Tyrrell Arnold ?

[ROGER JORDAN]

Thanks for the pic Dublinguy, great to start filling in the lost years at last.
Best regards Roger.

[Dan Rear]

Pretty sure that the car in 2nd is Ray Mallock's RT4, not Colin Lees Argo, the Cliff Smith Racing sign on the rear wing is the clue. Which wouild make this pic 1981, not 82...

Is it Templetons RT1 behind Mallock? Then Gowdy followed by O'Leary in the ex-Mallock/Alo RT1-66, then the red Chevron, B39 and ex-Patsy McG perhaps? Then the Modus, ex-Dicksons from 1976, I can't recall who had this by 1981, and finally, the B42-78-06.

Just my thoughts!

[dublinguy]

Your comments are always welcome Dan.
I would agree that it was Ray Mallock's car but think maybe Lee's had rented it. I wrote on the back of the picture 1982 but I could be wrong. As far as I can remember Lees wore a red helmet. He is not contactable at the moment to clarify if it is him. Google and you will see why.

[dublinguy]

http://www.conconnolly.com/gallery.p..._from=&ucat=2&

[Chris Townsend]

Lees bought the ex Mallock car for 1982, however I believe that Cliff Smith continued to prepare the car and took it to Macau at the year end for Tiff Needell

Chris

[ROGER JORDAN]

Thanks for the photo link Dublinguy I had a good trawl through the archives and am now 99.99% sure I`ve found my car (see photo below) this also explains why I has such a job getting the rear wing square in the early days, it always sat a bit out of line on the o/s end plate.
The sidepods are exactly as I described in my July post, complete with the No 12 any ideas what year this was and who was driving ?

Cheers Roger

[Dan Rear]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Lees bought the ex Mallock car for 1982, however I believe that Cliff Smith continued to prepare the car and took it to Macau at the year end for Tiff Needell

Chris

Having looked thru' that gallery Chris, I reckon it is Ray M in the car. There's a good pic of him getting out having won a race, I'm 99% sure its Ray not Lees. The car is bedecked with Chamtex/Cliff Smith signage, would Lees have kept these colours?

However, when did the UK FAt series race in Ireland in 1980-81, other than Phoenix Park? I don't think the British series had any rounds there did it? Some of the other pics are definitely 1980, there's Alo's RT1, Westwoods March, plus some 1980 FF2000s to validate the year.

[dublinguy]

the gold helmet is RM but the red is Lees. Not all the pictures are from the one year, the category is just 'oldies'. But I seem to remember Mallock in Mondello and one of the pictures are of the gold helmet in Mondello.
Re the pictures of your car Roger. I would reckon that the pictures are the year after Candy had the car possibly 1981. As to the driver I don't know yet but I think it is the late Tom O Leary running into the back of it ! I will continue trying to get in touch with guys who may help over here.

[Chris Townsend]

Dan

A lot of the British guys, including Mallock, went over to Mondello for the Sealink Leinster Trophy, 13 Sept 81.
1: Mallock RT4-218
2 Parsons B34
3: Lawler RT4-199
4: Gibson B55 [B56?]
5: McGarrity B42-02
6: Gowdy B42-08
7: Flux Ehrlich
8: Fildes B49
9: Adams, 80A-18
10: Byman 760-HU1
11: Howlings in what?
R: Arnold Argo JM9-056
R: Templeton RT1-116
R: O'Leary RT1

Chris

[dublinguy]

Was Gibson's car not the B53 (see new thread).
Also I think that Roger's B42 that Candy had used end 1980 and Bob Howling was driving it when Tom O Leary ran into it in picture above. Hence the DNF for O Leary
Maybe Ray Mallock/Cliff Smith left the RT 4 in Ireland which would explain Lee's hiring it for another race in Mondello. Something niggles at me that there was another race that meeting and it could be that Lees raced it in that.

[Chris Townsend]

Mallock used RT4-218 at Thruxton on 20 Sept, and then at Macau before it went to Lees.

Regarding Gibson's Chevron B55 is what's in Autosport or MN, and I agree it's wrong! Until the recent thread on the post Bennett Chevrons I wasn't sure what any of the 81-83 Atlantics should be called.

FWIW I think the picture is from early 82. If it was 81 and this is the full field we'd expect to see Tyrrell Arnold in the Argo JM9 and that's a pretty distinctive car. It must be before June 82 as Templeton is still in his RT1
If it was early in the season it would also explain why Lees hasn't repainted the RT4 (it was run for him by Goodwin, not Cliff Smith as I said earlier).

Chris

[dublinguy]

I dont think this is the full field and if it is the race which was mentioned then Arnold DNF. From my recollection of these races the Argo was not very reliable when he was driving it and it DNF a few times.
I wrote on the back of the photograph after I had it framed 1981 and the names of the drivers.
Could it be that Lee's drove the car in this race prior to buying it? Intresting test drive? Maybe as I said before ; Ray Mallock drove it in one race and Colin Lees in the other. I am certain it is Lee's helmet as he competed against us in FF as well as FAt. Perhaps the photo I put up is not of the Sealink Leinster Trophy race but another F Atlantic race the same weekend or a F Libre race same weekend.

[Dan Rear]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Dan

A lot of the British guys, including Mallock, went over to Mondello for the Sealink Leinster Trophy, 13 Sept 81.
1: Mallock RT4-218
2 Parsons B34
3: Lawler RT4-199
4: Gibson B55 [B56?]
5: McGarrity B42-02
6: Gowdy B42-08
7: Flux Ehrlich
8: Fildes B49
9: Adams, 80A-18
10: Byman 760-HU1
11: Howlings in what?
R: Arnold Argo JM9-056
R: Templeton RT1-116
R: O'Leary RT1

Chris

Chris, OTOH, would Howlings be in the scruffy B29 he used sometimes that year, 1981? Gibson was in the B53. The Fildes B49 ?? Adams borrowing back his 1980 March I presume, that Carlos Ulibarri used thru' 1981. Is Templeton's car his ex-F3 RT1, the O'Leary car was ex-Mallock/Lawler, Rt1-66 I think. Was this an Irish or British series race, or a 'big-money' one off ?

[driftwood]

out of curiosity what lap times did they do back in those days
are they using long or short circuit?

[Chris Townsend]

Parsons took pole in 55.2

Templeton indeed in his ex F3 car [RT1-116], Adams always owned Ulibarri's car I think.
It was an Irish series race with a lot of money and crack to attract English series entries

Chris

[driftwood]

its craic!!!!
trust a peasant englishman to mis spell gaelic word
or is it part of the Blair dumbing down of Britain?
the 55 sec was short track
Euroboss 2006 lap record long 1:29.946
F3 in 06 was 1.34.4 ish