March 782

[Dan Rear]

Further to above, I've seen that Douglas & Gavin had got 2 782s in early 79, reportedly for Godfrey Crompton to use on the hills, and that they're ex-Salisbury cars, so presumably nos 5 & 10. Also reports that the Barton car was a rebuild of the one Hoffman crashed in the Temporada late in 78, no 13? Finally the one Fabi had in NZ in Jan/Feb 79 was the one that Jones used in Macau late 78. Did we say earlier that this might have been the Zunino one, which would fit given his works connexions in 78, and those of Fabi later. So could this be no 15, or perhaps 16.

[Michal]

In 1983 and 1984 Ecce Homo hillclimb races started Georg Neugebauer with 782-22. Picture from 1983 you can find in photo-archive at www.eccehomo.cz

Michal

[Dan Rear]

Still on my Donny April 11 thoughts, Andrew Peach was entered in a 782 in the Derek Bell. I spoke to a member of his crew briefly about the car, which is nicely turned out, partly in Toleman livery like Dougall's. He told me its NOT an ex-Toleman car, apparently they got it with full history unknown, but think it belonged to a hillclimber over here at some point. They're in the process of getting the a genuine plate to put on it, but are NOT trying to pretend its something that it isn't, if this is clear !!

[Nordic]

Hillclimb Val Des Terres

I have uploaded some Hillclimb pictures now, there seems to be a couple of 782's a 791 there.
Any pointers on the unnamed ones will be useful
Thanks

[Dan Rear]

Nordic, some great pictures there, very much memory joggers! The one in picture 2, the blue one, doesn't ring any bells with me, but certainly looks like a 78 car from the high cockpit surrounds.

I think the Franklin car was ex-works/Bruno from 78, that he got in early 79. The Cheltenham Cameras car is Alan Richards' ex-Franklin car, I think an ex-Zunino 772 that DF won the Hillclimb and Sprint champ in 78.

The Cramer one is, IIRC, one of the Douglas & Gavin cars I mentioned earlier, reputedly ex Bob Salisbury from 78. Finally the Lane car I'm not sure about. As I recall it was described in period as a '79S' whatever that means. I wonder whether it was built on a 782 tub, or maybe 79B, it certainly looked like that from pictures, rather than a 792 modified. Any ideas Chris/Jeremy/David/Allen ???

Btw is that a Chevron pictured next to the blue 782 (picture 2)? If so who's ??

[Jeremy Jackson]

Nordic,

Great photos yet again!

"Hill03" is Malcolm Dungworth's Pilbeam MP22 (chassis 03 I think).

Agree with Dan on the Marches, although I've nothing further on the origins of Roy Lane's car.

I think the blue March ("Hill02) is Godfrey Crompton's "79B", or at least the logos match the ones on his car from a photos I have in 1979. The Minolta car with the Dulon would be Alan Richards'"77B"

[kingsley]

Just for interest, I apparently have chassis No'9 in my workshop and apparently it is David Franklins old car?

[Fireblade]

Originally posted by Nordic
Hillclimb Val Des Terres

I have uploaded some Hillclimb pictures now, there seems to be a couple of 782's a 791 there.
Any pointers on the unnamed ones will be useful
Thanks

The blue Minolta March 782 was the Cheltenham Cameras car of Alan Richards.

Alan can be found at Shelsley's Bottom Ess supplying his superb bacon baguettes on race days. Commercial ended, (thats a freebie you owe me Alan.)

There was a March test day at Shelsley in the 70s with Derek Bell driving Godfreys Cromptons car. This was the subject of an MAC picture quiz 2 years ago. Godfrey did write in with all the deatils of chassis and history. Will dig it out.

Nice pics by the way, Nordic.

[Fireblade]

Further to the last post I have dug out MAC News No 105 in reply to the previous editions picture quiz.

Godfrey Cromptons March 782/792B was driven at Shelsley by Derek Bell in May 1980 for an article in Cars and Car Conversions by Russell Bulgin. Derek recorded a time of 32.08 secs after diagnosing a problem that had beset Godfrey for sometime.
He also drove the Pilbeam MP22 of Alister Douglas-Osborn recording a time of 27.75secs.

[Nordic]

1981

I have names for some of these, any help gratfully recived. I am most curious about the sports car (chevron BMW?) I know it wasn't 80 or 81, I suspect it was 78.
any takers?

[Dan Rear]

Nordic, again some intriguing photos !

The Chevron will come to me in time, I bet Jeremy knows straightaway (!) did Richard Thwaites have a B19 on the hills at one point, with a 3litre BMW ?? Whether this is it I don't know. The Lane cars are interesting, I think the one Ken Ayres has here is the ex-Roy March 79S, the one Lane himself has is, I think, Pilbeam DFL, is it the ex-Neve circuit racer updated ?

The le Tissier car I'm not sure about, a Chevron rings bells, can't be certain though. Also the Green and white Castle Block March is a new one on me, it says 'Ford V6' on the nose, maybe the ex-Cramer 76A ?? Also the Franklin Wendy Wools 782 looks a little odd, no side-pods. Had he removed them by then, the car looks pretty naked without them !

[Jeremy Jackson]

Dan,

I can't think who was using this Chevron circa 1980, it is the 3-litre BMW engined car, that Tony Bancroft (aka Spotty Smith) using around 72-73. Thwaites raced this car in Historics 82-83 as well as something else, a B16 I think, but it's not him at the wheel here.

le Tissier's car was one of your favourites I think! I seem to recall he ran the B30. (I hope! Don't want to get too red-faced here - don't think it's the B32, although that was on the islands at some point)

Terry Smith & Alan Payne both ran "761s! around this time, and Paul Edwards ran the 76A in 1980, Nigel Bigwood in 81.

[Nordic]

Thanks for your help, i have tracked down the programs for the hillclimb 78-81, and all the info you have given is correct and the updated info has been added to the pictures.
The Chevron BMW sports car was driven by D Garnett. He crashed it in 78 in Jersey so the picture must have been 79. It was replaced in 80 by the Pilbeam MP43 sports car seen in the 80 gallery. I am pretty sure the Ford V6 Powered March was driven by J Jack.
The Lane car in 81 acoroding to the program is a March 802-812
looking at the programs there sure was a mix of cars there between 79-81

[Dan Rear]

Nordic, yes now you mention it, IIRC Roy L did have an 802/812 after his '79S'. Any knowledge of this one Jeremy ?

The Jack March I'm still not sure about, did he really trail to the Islands from Scotland, if so a very dedicated chap he must have been ! If it is him, then by the shape of it I'd suggest the ex-Norman D 772-3, tho' I definitely don't recall this being fitted with a V6. Also I think most of his cars were painted in 'Jack Crane Hire' decals, not Castle Block Ltd. My money would still be on one of the '761s' Jeremy mentioned above, any history on those ones too Jeremy ?

Finally I think you're correct, as usual (!) on the Noel le T B30, ex-Purley, and you're right one of my faves!!! Didn't Evan Clements have a go in this after Purley at one point, Mike Wilds too as I recall, then transformed into Mick Hills M1 later still.

[Nordic]

Jack was a dedicated chap!, his time in 81 was 34.58, looks like he only did one run though.
If the castle Block car was not his, the other options are a March 74B driven by A Sauvarin as the listed engine size was 1998 I discounted him or R Le Page in a 76/80B but his listed engine size is only 1598.
A Ford V6 has a cc of 3000? unless its not in the program or its not a called a march.

[Jeremy Jackson]

Lane had 802-26 after the 79S.

The B30 transformed into Jeff Wilson's M1, not Hill's - That was based around the ex-Durex T400 (HU8).

Not sure on the "761s", my (attempted!) quotes were because I were unsure exact what type they were, 761s or not. At least one of them was Repco-engined, IIRC

[Dan Rear]

Just seen some more A/Sports from 79, apparently Tony Westwood was out in one of the Douglas & Gavin, ex-Salisbury, 782s in a Hillclimb early that year. I guess this was the one he used in Atlantic in 1980.

[driftwood]

the list has chassis 7 as Bruno "Jack o Malleys" car then sold to david franklin
franklin had chassis 9 (winklehock car) the car was also owned by bill morris
the car currently has DF name on the body work
if anyone knows of another car that DF had please advise

BMW museum also has "782" in museum not usre if its real 782 or 783 converted i did see this in 95 in german race shop under a sheet and was told it was jack o malleys car destined for BMW Munich museum
toleman cars
these 2 are in UK
1 is not being used
the other is with Mr Peach imported back from usa nd being restored with the view to being raced
the car mr peach is currently using is a converted f3 car used on the hills as F2 BDG spec car for many a year by chris drewitt
ive also been told of 1 782 in SA the respondant told me its a henton car he did quote a # but ive to look back thru my old emails for it

[Michal]

Originally posted by driftwood
.... ive also been told of 1 782 in SA the respondant told me its a henton car he did quote a # but ive to look back thru my old emails for it

Look at this thread : http://forums.atlasf1.com/showthread...=&pagenumber=2

post 45, there is Ian Scheckter´s 782 in one of SA museums.

Michal

[David McKinney]

driftwood:
I thought Billy Morris's car was ex-Cramer (later Jimmy Jack)? Unless he had more than one
The BMW factory museum has 782-22 (not one of the original team cars). Perhaps they have more than one
There are three Toleman 782s mentioned in this thread...

[driftwood]

wouldnt like to say u thought wrong but i know the car came from morris and it has DF name on the bodywork so if u have an inkling that bill had more than 1 782 let me know more!
i will also ask bill the direct question this week
re toleman782 cars
i have had it said there where possibly 3 toleman cars but i checked my Duncan R & Sheldon book and toleman had 2 cars listed at the races but 1 car was with a different # to the others at 1 race i recall
i will check again

[David McKinney]

I have 2, 12 and 23 as Toleman numbers (and I think that info came from this thread - have you checked?)

I have no knowledge of the Morris car other than the fact that is was reported at the time as I've relayed

[driftwood]

not looked at my book yet i know the keeper of rad dougal 782
known history from dat 1
the other car peach has in from usa i have the # in an e mail i also spoke to peach re the car then the ZA guy said thete is 1 henton car in s africa again an email i have has the # quoted
i await commenst bfrom bill m re any 782 cars he or franklin had etc

[driftwood]

782# was quoted as in ZA
12 is peach car
23 should be the other toleman team car a buddy is the "keeper" of
i will check this point

[Dan Rear]

Driftwood, interesting stuff on 782s. Car -23 was I think NOT an original Toleman one, but the Henton 78 car. When Henton went with Toleman in 79 with the RT2, I assumed he brought -23 with him as a 'dowry' ! By early 79, the real Toleman car -2, was with Paul Smith, so they used -12 and -23 while getting the RT2s up to speed. This is how I thought things were anyway, feel free to correct me.

On the Peach car, the one he raced in DBT at Donington April 11, is NOT a Toleman car, a chap I spoke to confirmed this, despite the livery. You infer he has another one too, I presum this second one is ex-Toleman.

I wonder, could we do an updated list of cars as we now think they may be, including the various 79 onwards UK hillclimbers ??