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Old 6 Aug 2017, 12:39 (Ref:3757708)   #4226
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Yeah, the ambition is certainly there.

It's been talked about on and off ever since the Touring Car Challenge fell over, about 10 years ago.
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Old 6 Aug 2017, 13:28 (Ref:3757714)   #4227
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There is apparently a plan in the works for Super Tourers to be racing at Wakefield Park later this year. With some cars from NZ coming over, I have heard that organisers are expecting about 18-20 cars.
There seem to be quite a few active in NZ now- We've had a few NZ-based cars come over to the UK for the Silverstone Classic in the last couple of years, and a couple of UK cars have apparently been sold to NZ owners recently
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Old 7 Aug 2017, 06:44 (Ref:3757924)   #4228
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Anyway, I think it is more appealing to run your E30 M3 in 2.5L Group A spec than 2.0L Super Tourer (or pre-Super Tourer) spec.
The point is the 1993 Diet Coke M3's didn't compete in Australia in Group A, and were not 2.0L Super Tourers in 1993...so where could you race one if you wanted to present it in it's 1993 livery?

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The cars they ran in '93 were grandfathered DTM cars, not Group A cars.
The DTM regs until the end of 1992 were heavily Group A based though, and those DTM-spec cars were allowed in the ATCC in 1991 and 1992, hence why the Morris M3 has been allowed to compete in HTC in it's 1992 DTM livery and spec.

The 1993 changes to the M3's for the ATCC seem to be an updated aero-kit, more weight and a rev-limiter.
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Old 7 Aug 2017, 21:36 (Ref:3758058)   #4229
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You mention the Melinda Price Seca was campaigned as late as 96. Do you have any recollection by who and at what meetings. Do you also remember where it was advertised for sale?
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Old 7 Aug 2017, 23:57 (Ref:3758082)   #4230
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You mention the Melinda Price Seca was campaigned as late as 96. Do you have any recollection by who and at what meetings. Do you also remember where it was advertised for sale?
Apparently the car ran at some point in '96, but I can't find any records of it. It was entered by Inspired Racing, for Melinda Price.

I recall seing it advertised in Auto Action, in the late '90s.

Nobody seems to know where it, or the sister car are. However, I believe one of them was ratted for parts to build the first Hyundai Lantra Super Tourer.
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Old 8 Aug 2017, 04:49 (Ref:3758096)   #4231
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Thanks for that. Ill keep digging. I have access to a vast array of Racing Car News mags and Auto Actions so ill start the hunt.
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Old 8 Aug 2017, 04:50 (Ref:3758097)   #4232
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Do you know who built or ran the Hyundai?
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Old 8 Aug 2017, 04:55 (Ref:3758098)   #4233
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Colin Bond played a part in the first car's construction, hence many of the Corolla parts being carried over. However, I believe they were done by Steve Hardman Motorsport, who prepared the cars until the end of '95.
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Old 8 Aug 2017, 05:55 (Ref:3758106)   #4234
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I think it was a bit short sighted of CAMS not to allow them to run the E36 with the 2.5 litre for '93.
I agree. Wasn't the excuse used by CAMS was that an E36 with a 2.5 litre engine didn't fit into any international set of regulations so couldn't be run here? The fact that no VP Commodore or EB Falcon was homologated into any international set of regs didn't seem to be an issue though

Obviously CAMS just wanted them to pad out the grid.... but considering that BMW fronted for 1993 with more official works cars than Ford or Holden, to treat them the way they were was disgraceful (not to mention they'd just run Nissan out of the sport too)

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Colin Bond played a part in the first car's construction, hence many of the Corolla parts being carried over.
Bond also raced it on the Wellington streets in 1994 in the APTCC event
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Old 8 Aug 2017, 06:23 (Ref:3758113)   #4235
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The E36 BMW was an Ex Vic Lee Racing (Soper & Harvey) and had no spoilers from memory and ran in the Listerine colors (Adelaide GP I think)

BMW were really shafted by CAMS over the journey whether it be 635csi or 318 Turbo but especailly the M3 EVO II running weight and no DTM electronic aero or bonnet splitters
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I agree. Wasn't the excuse used by CAMS was that an E36 with a 2.5 litre engine didn't fit into any international set of regulations so couldn't be run here? The fact that no VP Commodore or EB Falcon was homologated into any international set of regs didn't seem to be an issue though

Obviously CAMS just wanted them to pad out the grid.... but considering that BMW fronted for 1993 with more official works cars than Ford or Holden, to treat them the way they were was disgraceful (not to mention they'd just run Nissan out of the sport too)



Bond also raced it on the Wellington streets in 1994 in the APTCC event
There were 2 Linder run E36 3 doors in the '93 DTM driven by Armin Hahne and an other. This was after the factory withdrew so maybe Linder were originally tasked with the development in '92 and then decided just to race them anyway?
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Old 18 Aug 2017, 21:38 (Ref:3760277)   #4237
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Obviously CAMS just wanted them to pad out the grid.... but considering that BMW fronted for 1993 with more official works cars than Ford or Holden, to treat them the way they were was disgraceful (not to mention they'd just run Nissan out of the sport too)
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One could argue that Nissan and BMW did not exercise sufficient lobbying ("inducements" as they would say in FIFA circles) to ensure CAMS selected the successful British 2L regulations exclusively for the ATCC.
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Old 29 Aug 2017, 11:30 (Ref:3762581)   #4238
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Is there an appetite for an Australian historic Super Touring series? The British series seem like a lot of fun, and even includes 2001 spec ETCC (or was it called ESTC?) 156s that never raced in Britain.

Anyway, I think it is more appealing to run your E30 M3 in 2.5L Group A spec than 2.0L Super Tourer (or pre-Super Tourer) spec.
The Alfa raced in UK - drivers David Pinkney and Eion Marray
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Old 30 Aug 2017, 12:49 (Ref:3762916)   #4239
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The Alfa raced in UK - drivers David Pinkney and Eion Marray
Wasn't the Alfa that Pinkney raced in the BTCC a Super 2000-spec machine in 2007? Much later than the 2001 Super Touring 156s?
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Wasn't the Alfa that Pinkney raced in the BTCC a Super 2000-spec machine in 2007? Much later than the 2001 Super Touring 156s?
Yep, both his and Murray's were 156s
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I like the summary.

'The car to win the Heritage Touring Car Cup'

Um...
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I like the summary.

'The car to win the Heritage Touring Car Cup'

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ARTICLE 14 – CLASSEMENT - PODIUM
A podium celebration will take place for the scratch finishers at the end of each race.
 The three first cars of scratch class,
 The three first cars of TC2 class,
 The three first cars of TC1 class,
 The three first cars of GR.A class.
Some awards will also be given for the winners of the following classes:
 The first car -2000cc of TC2 1966-1971,
 The first car -2000cc of TC2 1972-1984,
 The first car on the performance index.

To be part of the classification, the car must cross the finish line under the chequered flag.

A prize giving ceremony will be held for the various classes at the end of the season.

https://peterauto.peter.fr/wp-conten...egulations.pdf

ummmm...
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I love how historic Group A has to preserve all the dodgy homologation shenanigans that went on, and now all the facts are actually coming out.. Like the fact the 240T was never legally homologated in the first place!
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I love how historic Group A has to preserve all the dodgy homologation shenanigans that went on, and now all the facts are actually coming out.. Like the fact the 240T was never legally homologated in the first place!
I thought that had been known for many, many years.
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Only between 23 and 30 Evolution models of the 240T were built and none were sold as road cars.

Basically FISA inspected the front row of cars sitting on the docks in the US, there were 497 cars there, all the rows behind had the hot parts in the boot.

It has been pretty well known since the 90s but with the rise of historic cars more stories are coming out like Nissan's boost control and so on.
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If the hot parts were to be installed, does this render them part of the numbers built?

I've often wondered if the array of conspicuous switches fitted to the Nissans are still in operation today in historic racing. Of course the answer will be "no"
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Only between 23 and 30 Evolution models of the 240T were built and none were sold as road cars.

Basically FISA inspected the front row of cars sitting on the docks in the US, there were 497 cars there, all the rows behind had the hot parts in the boot.

It has been pretty well known since the 90s but with the rise of historic cars more stories are coming out like Nissan's boost control and so on.
Thanks, I had little interest in Ovlovs and was unaware of it all.
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