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No, it just means that there's a rumour that Jaguar might be considering Wirth's LMP1 coupe. And the picture is a photoshop of the ARX-01e with a (most likely) R18 fin and canopy.
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Looks awesome and hey I thought everyone said LMP1 was dead....
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A link-up with Wirth would be great. I'm sure it will have some kind of additional tech in there. Again plenty of time to get a solid concept sorted. 2014 seems logical. CAN NOT WAIT.
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Wirth's P1 coupe would be an easy way out...And much much more high profile than Aston martin snapping a V12 in a lola Chassis...Wirth has winning experience...They've built good cars(P2) and bad cars(arx-02a). And they've use the wide P1 fronts.....It's sound like a dream partnership for any manufacturer.....
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Let's just hope the global economy keeps up. I'd hate for any of these projects to be abandoned when there's so much good news coming out.
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The important thing is that there is balance between diesel and petrol. If Jaguar is officially back only for a serious project and ambitious.
Now it's just a dream ... but imagine a 2014 with Porsche, Toyota, Jaguar, Nissan ... would be great!!! |
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I think the petrols will be just fine. I think the question in 2014 won't be diesel vs. petrol, but instead will be about various different kinds of hybrid technology. I think anyone who steps in and expects to compete against Porsche, Audi, Peugeot, and maybe Toyota better have a top notch hybrid solution especially the ACO goes back to a consumption formula.
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If Jaguar returns to Le Mans, we are going to seriously suffer in team and driver quality in many of the cars.
Teams like Oreca, Pescarolo, Penske, Highcroft and so on are sure to be given some good offers to partner a Manufacture program. But nice to see Jag back. Unfortunately if this is the Wirth project, that would be the definitive blow to seeing Honda/HPD/Acura back |
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A lot of us are assuming that Wirth might be involved with this on the basis of the mockup, but the online Autosport article did not say anything about Wirth. Did the print Autosport article say something about Wirth or is the Wirth thing just pure speculation at the moment?
I'm not so sure if Honda's interest is strong at the moment, but as said above, they can always find another way to design a car if that is what they want. |
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LMP1 hybrid is possible in collaboration with Williams? I remember that there is an agreement between Jaguar and Frank Williams for the production of C-X75 hybrid supercar (250 units with 50 im version "race")
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Does this mean the end of the Aston Martin LMP1 project? I really cannot see AM finishing in 12th or 13th and still keep going when Porsche, Jaguar, Audi, Peugeot and Toyota beat them.
I also don't see five or six manufacturers racing each other in the same season. It may happen for 1 or 2 years but definitely it will not last more than 3 seasons. |
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Im going to bet quite a bit of companies are excited about the 2014 regulations with possible Hybrid techology competing for the overall victory. Also, perhaps F1 has become a little too expensive and has become more appealing for Red Bull, Virgin, ect and less appealing to manufacturers like the ones in the VW group or Jaguar/TATA. Plus, no matter what, Le Mans is, well Le Mans. Plus, Le Mans Prototype Racing will finally have a World Championship yet again, and that seems to be what Audi thinks is responsible for more manufacturer interest.
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I also think the prospect for a wild hybrid battle means a lot to companies who take hybrids seriously like Porsche and Toyota. Having a reputation for being "king of the hill" in the hybrid department probably means a lot to some companies. Having a world championship is probably a positive thing as well. Anyway, I'm not sure if these manufacturers can accurately guess what it will cost to compete for wins (assuming that is what they want to do, I think we can assume that for Porsche and any factory Toyota effort) at this point. Even more troublesome is that I don't think they can truly estimate what kind of ROI they will get since it is quite unknown what kind of media coverage the WEC will get. The chance of a boom and bust is quite likely, especially if the ACO continues it's current media ineptitude, but we'll see. We could get a couple of really interesting years if nothing else. |
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Jaguar have a new range of road cars, and plans for a huge increase in production.
Jaguar may have a fine motorsport heritage, but that counts for little when your last major program was twenty years back (ignoring the misguided re-branding of Stewart GP). As for the interest in P1, the Audi vs Peugeot era will go down as a classic, the quality of privateer options has also never been better. More than ever racing programs have to deliver more than entertainment, Audi are the perfect example of this philosophy, Le Mans the perfect platform. |
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