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Old 25 Jan 2009, 20:45 (Ref:2379125)   #251
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sour grapes have started already with monty moaning that he prolly had less wing yet couldn't stay with the porsche even in the tow. that aside, what a cracking race, its just a shame we saw so little of it...
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Old 25 Jan 2009, 20:46 (Ref:2379126)   #252
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Brilliant piece of strategy by Brumos to put Donohue back into the car for the last hour. Garcia just didn't seem to be getting it done. In the end it was poetic justice that Brumos won as they were the fastest all day and night and would have been a lap ahead without all of the yellows.

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Old 25 Jan 2009, 20:50 (Ref:2379129)   #253
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The advantage that Porsche have really needs to be addressed. The Ganassi car was running a lower downforce set up but was still blown away in the flatout parts of the track.

Great race though and a nicer guy couldn't have won (Donohue)

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sour grapes have started already with monty moaning that he prolly had less wing yet couldn't stay with the porsche even in the tow. that aside, what a cracking race, its just a shame we saw so little of it...
I hardly see how it's sour grapes, its the truth. The team put in 2 months of preparation and probably had the best car, only to be let down by Grand Am and the laack of engine parity
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Old 25 Jan 2009, 20:51 (Ref:2379132)   #254
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Brilliant piece of strategy by Brumos to put Donohue back into the car for the last hour. Garcia just didn't seem to be getting it done. In the end it was poetic justice that Brumos won as they were the fastest all day and night and would have been a lap ahead without all of the yellows.

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They were getting a lap or two less on fuel mileage I think, so they'd've made more pitstops. So I wouldn't have just handed it to them in that case although they were clearly the fastest.
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Old 25 Jan 2009, 20:55 (Ref:2379134)   #255
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What a great race by Brumos! It's incredible how Barbosa managed to keep the #59 at the front... any works teams watching?
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Old 25 Jan 2009, 20:56 (Ref:2379135)   #256
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sour grapes have started already with monty moaning that he prolly had less wing yet couldn't stay with the porsche even in the tow. that aside, what a cracking race, its just a shame we saw so little of it...
Yeah, sour grapes, stating a fact.

Brumos did deserve it though, they were the dominant force. That engine really pulled in top gear.

Second was an excellent result for Ganassi all things considered.
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Old 25 Jan 2009, 21:03 (Ref:2379138)   #257
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i know it was stating a fact, it was just the manner in which he did so that made me think it was sour grapes. nothing can belittle how good that race was tho, and Brumos deserved that.
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Old 25 Jan 2009, 21:04 (Ref:2379139)   #258
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Those porsche motors are like nothing else in that class. I guess part has to do with the fact that that engine is the only direct injection. You could right under the gearbox of the porsche and it would drag you like gangbusters down the straightaway. This is reminiscent of the peugot on the audi at petit lemans.
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Old 25 Jan 2009, 21:04 (Ref:2379140)   #259
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Typical of the CGR guys.When the lexus engine had the power advantage they were not complaining.I did not hear them say that something needs to be done.but last year with the ford & this year the porsche & the ford they are complaining that they have to much horsepower.maybe it's time for TRD to develop a new engine.that is what Ford & Porsche did when they were down on horsepower.
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Old 25 Jan 2009, 21:07 (Ref:2379142)   #260
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Those porsche motors are like nothing else in that class. I guess part has to do with the fact that that engine is the only direct injection. You could right under the gearbox of the porsche and it would drag you like gangbusters down the straightaway. This is reminiscent of the peugot on the audi at petit lemans.
The situation is IMO similar to when Audi brought the Diesel to LM: A new engine and no one knew just exactly how good it would be. The sanctioning body has to guess and imposes some restrictions. GARRA got pretty close, but not close enough. I expect a weight penalty for the porsches before the next round. Maybe another 50 lbs. Or maybe a lower redline.
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Old 25 Jan 2009, 21:17 (Ref:2379149)   #261
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i know it was stating a fact, it was just the manner in which he did so that made me think it was sour grapes. nothing can belittle how good that race was tho, and Brumos deserved that.
I think his choice of word was poor: "unfair".

Fact is, motorsport has never been fair. He's right in what he's saying, but it does come across a bit bad I agree.

How frustrating it must be to drive that hard but get blown off like that on the banking.
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Old 25 Jan 2009, 21:23 (Ref:2379153)   #262
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While it appeared that the Porsches did have the overall power advantage, Ganassi's #01 car was two laps down after they repaired their splitter and they still managed to catch up and be in position to win. The final group of 4 was two Porsches, 1 Lexus and 1 Ford, so not complete domination. It would have been interesting if all the Fords (except one) hadn't been sabotaged by that one part. Didn't Almendinger blow by the Brumos Porsche at one point a few laps before the car just cut out on him? Anyway, it was a fun race to kick off the season. It would be nice if Sebring was similar in last lap suspense.

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Old 25 Jan 2009, 21:33 (Ref:2379161)   #263
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Interesting that Brumos ran the old Reily body work......perhaps that was some of the advantage.
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Old 25 Jan 2009, 21:35 (Ref:2379164)   #264
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Well, Danica's team didnt do to bad. They started out in the back and were out early in the race, came back in and placed 8th. Not bad.

I liked how Danica said her door came open out on the track. Thats not good.
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Old 25 Jan 2009, 21:39 (Ref:2379167)   #265
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The unfair advantage, fair enough.

After spending the weekend in the garage I only got to see the last 40 minutes. I enjoyed it and it was a fun finish.

However I have it recorded so I can spend some time finding people I think were miserable after 24 hours

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sour grapes have started already with monty moaning that he prolly had less wing yet couldn't stay with the porsche even in the tow. that aside, what a cracking race, its just a shame we saw so little of it...
The first thing he said was that the boys did a great job and that they did fantastic to be even second. Then he said something interesting about wing levels, giving us insight. From his pov it was 'unfair', although as he said second was still a "great thing". Memo also had "sour grapes", he pointed out the power difference and called for it to be addressed. He said they deserved the win though.

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Old 25 Jan 2009, 21:51 (Ref:2379174)   #266
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Was also suprising to see that crawford had so many issues with their car.they improved the aero,mechanical grip & the cars balance according to crawford.they still have some work to do.
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Old 25 Jan 2009, 21:58 (Ref:2379181)   #267
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Wasn't the Ford traced to a specific part? And they supposedly took a couple of each engine after quali to spec them out so I'm sure updated specs will be released before VIR. A couple teams were claiming the dyno numbers looked real close earlier this year so maybe it is just the faster rev climb of the flat 6 helping them get up to top end faster.

Either way, great result for Brumos just wish it wasn't another Riley winning.
This is what i believe about the Porsche motor too. It may have the same amount of HP as the Lexus but it was geared for greater top end and has a more usable power. Just because you have 525 HP does not mean that it get's put down well.Two cars can have the same HP but one can have higher top speed due to gear ratios, downforce, quality of the engine
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it still has 6 cylinders
So does a straight-6, does that make it a V6 aswell?
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So does a straight-6, does that make it a V6 aswell?
Technically, yes. It's a V6 where the angle between the V is 180 degrees.
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Technically that is a boxer engine not a straight six.

However, Daytona 24...
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Technically, yes. It's a V6 where the angle between the V is 180 degrees.
That is incorect. A straight six is 6 straight cylinders in one line. The boxer engine is the V that is 180 degrees hence, box
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look at this quote from speedtv in a question answer mailbag
"Porsche: The 3.99-liter flat six is based on the 911 GT3 RS street car engine, but the race engine delivers 540 hp, so it is highly modified."

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...ilbag-answers/
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That is incorect. A straight six is 6 straight cylinders in one line.
No, that's an inline six.

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I was reading "straight" and thinking this engine because that's the Porsche engine I always think of.

And that's a flat six.

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No, that's an inline six.



I was reading "straight" and thinking this engine because that's the Porsche engine I always think of.

And that's a flat six.
They are the same i looked it up inline6=straight 6
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you have to admit that porsche did a excellent job with their 6 cylinder boxer engine.
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