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Old 13 Sep 2002, 09:01 (Ref:379370)   #1
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Scoring System Difference

I was feeling bored this afternoon, and considering exercise is not an option thanks to a foot injury, I decided to compare the scoring of CART to it's current style compared to F1. These are the results:

Current Standings:

1. Cristiano da Matta 175
2. Bruno Junqueira 123
3. Dario Franchitti 106
4. Patrick Carpentier 101
5. Christian Fittipaldi 98
6. Michel Jourdain Jr. 92
7. Paul Tracy 86
8. Alex Tagliani 83
9. Michael Andretti 82
10. Scott Dixon 81
11. Kenny Brack 74
12. Jimmy Vasser 70
13. Tony Kanaan 65
14. Adrian Fernandez 53
15. Shinji Nakano 43
16. Tora Takagi 37
17. Max Papis 32
18. Townsend Bell 19
19. Oriol Servia 18
20. Mario Dominguez 15

Now compared to an F1 scoring system of Win=10, 2nd=6 and so on:

1. Cristiano da Matta 70(=)
2. Bruno Junqueira 42(=)
3. Dario Franchitti 38 (=)
4. Patrick Carpentier 29 (=)
5. Christian Fittipaldi 26 (=)
6. Paul Tracy 23 (+1)
7. Michael Andretti 21 (+1)
8. Kenny Brack 17 (+3)
9. Alex Tagliani 16 (-1)
10. Scott Dixon 14 (=)
Michel Jourdain Jr. 14 (-5)
12. Jimmy Vasser 12 (=)
Tony Kanaan 12 (+1)
14. Adrian Fernandez 9 (=)
15. Max Papis 8 (+2)
16. Shinji Nakano 5 (-1)
17. Tora Takagi 4 (-1)
18. Townsend Bell 3 (=)
19. Oriol Servia 1 (=)
20. Mario Dominguez 0 (=)

What does this tell us besides the fact I was REALLY bored?

* Michel Jourdain goes unrewarded for his incredible finishing rate, dropping 5 places.

* Kenny Brack, who has one of the worst finishing rates, jumps three places thanks to a couple of podiums.

* Max Papis jumps 2 despite only finishing in the points twice, both on the podium

* Poor Mario Dominguez has no points with no top 6 finishes.

* The gap between first and second is still the same in essence as it will take a couple of good results for Bruno and a couple of bad ones for Cristiano to close the gap.

* A win by any driver below the top 5 could instantly leap them halfway up the table.

* Finally, just goes to prove CART is a fairer and better scoring system, rewarding both finishing and consistency.
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Old 13 Sep 2002, 10:25 (Ref:379427)   #2
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An interesting comparison! Now if you continue to be bored, why not figure out where the F1 drivers would be under the CART system?
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Old 13 Sep 2002, 11:57 (Ref:379520)   #3
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Ok, here is an F1 comparison:

Current Standings:

1. Michael Schumacher 122
2. Rubens Barrichello 51
3. Juan Montoya 44
4. Ralf Schumacher 42
5. David Coulthard 37
6. Kimi Raikkonen 20
7. Jenson Button 11
8. Nick Heidfeld 7
Giancarlo Fisichella 7
10. Eddie Irvine 4
Jarno Trulli 4
Felipe Massa 4
13. Jacques Villeneuve 3
14. Olivier Panis 2
Mark Webber 2
Mika Salo 2
Heinz-Harald Frentzen 2
18. Allan McNish 0
Alex Yoong 0
Pedro de la Rosa 0
Takuma Sato 0
Enrique Bernoldi 0
Anthony Davidson 0

Now we change to CART scoring:
1. Michael Schumacher 276 (=)
2. Ralf Schumacher 151 (+2)
3. Juan Montoya 149 (=)
4. David Coulthard 144 (+1)
5. Rubens Barrichello 142 (-3)
6. Kimi Raikkonen 72 (=)
7. Nick Heidfeld 66 (+1)
8. Jenson Button 60 (-1)
9. Giancarlo Fisichella 46 (-1)
10. Felipe Massa 51 (=)
11. Jarno Trulli 36 (-1)
Mika Salo 36 (+3)
13. Eddie Irvine 32 (-3)
Jacques Villeneuve 32 (=)
15. Pedro de la Rosa 24 (+3)
Mark Webber 24 (-1)
17. Allan McNish 21 (+1)
Takuma Sato 21 (+1)
Olivier Panis 21 (-3)
20. Heinz-Harald Frentzen 14 (-6)
21. Alex Yoong 9 (=)
22. Enrique Bernoldi 6 (=)

What does this tell us?

* The gap between TGF and the rest is still enormous, but behind him is a big shuffle - despite winning twice, Rubens drops 3 while Ralf is the big beneficiary. JPM doesn't move at all!

* HHF loses out thanks to not racing for the last half of the season, dropping 6 places

* Erm, consistency is rewarded with drivers who consistently finish in the top 10/12 scoring points more often. But drivers with the faster cars - Ferrari, McLaren, Williams - are usually taking the big points, which contributes to the massive gap between the top 5 and the rest.

* Nick has driven better than everyone thinks - only 6 behind Kimi in a McLaren!!!

* Fisichella is where he is thanks to 3 5ths, otherwise he'd be nowhere

* Even Yoong has managed points!!!
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Old 13 Sep 2002, 13:29 (Ref:379607)   #4
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There is good and bad points about both systems. In one way you could argue that the CART system rewards consistency and finiship etc...on the other hand you could argue that the F1 system makes a point worth more, plus you could argue that does a driver finishing 12th in an 18 car field really deserve any points?
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Old 13 Sep 2002, 13:34 (Ref:379612)   #5
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Thanks Manoz, I always like tables like that, but I am too lazy to bother making them myself. Thanks again.
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Hey, what about NASCAR with CART and F1 points? How would the "good ol' boys" be in those cases?
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What did you do in F1 races with less than 12 cars running at the end? In CART these would get points if they are in the Top 12, yet in F1 you must complete 90% of the leader's race distance.

Also, I guess you didn't add the points for pole and leading teh most laps, which of course would probably move Montoya up to second
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I did it add pole and Laps Led. JPM would only got 5 or so points for poles.....
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