Home Mobile Forum News Cookbook FaceBook Us T-Shirts etc.: Europe/Worldwide. eBay Motorsport Links Advertising Live Chat  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Single Seater Racing > Formula One


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 22 Oct 2017, 09:42 (Ref:3775598)   #1
Taxi645
Racer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Netherlands
Posts: 286
Taxi645 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Broadcasting and online revenue models

So we all know F1's broadcasting and online revenue are very outdated. There is loads of available but unused data interesting to the millions of hardcore fans while an even larger audience is alienated by pay per view, hampering the growth of the sport and attractiveness for sponsors.

So how would one improve matters?

I think that question is not really hard to answer. Make viewing free everywhere drawing in new crowds and sponsors but simultaneously offer a very comprehensive payed premium package for the hard core fans.

So what would such a premium package offer?

There is loads of premium content one can offer:

- Life on board of your favourite driver.
- Life telemetry of your favourite driver, including fuel and tire use.
- Life advanced laptimes information, gaps, race histograms etc.
- Exclusive interviews with team members and drivers.
- Team specials; meat the team, history, future etc.
- Technical updates of the cars.
- In depth track preview.
- In depth look into strategy before, during and after the race.
- Increased radio broadcasts from your favourite teams.
- Drivers briefing.
- Perhaps even crowfunding personal favourite teams

I mean the possibilities for premium content are endless. Each race offer some premium content for free, making free viewing more attractive and attracting more people to the premium package.

Last edited by Taxi645; 22 Oct 2017 at 10:09.
Taxi645 is offline  
Quote
Old 22 Oct 2017, 12:35 (Ref:3775616)   #2
Richard Casto
Subscriber
Veteran
 
Richard Casto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
United States
Durham, NC, USA
Posts: 2,578
Richard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
A freemium model would be interesting. But on their end it would be risky. Everyone can't see a race in person. Streaming may be the revenue stream (no pun intended) they are focusing on. Freemium runs the risk of... no revenue if the premium is not compelling enough for fans to buy.

They apparently plan to build out their own delivery infrastructure and that is not particularly cheap to do correctly. Given they will have issues at first, maybe free at first (you can't complain much about service problems if it is free) and then move to a near freemium model where basic streaming is quite inexpensive, but not free. Then provide premium content in which the possibilities is endless.

Richard
Richard Casto is offline  
__________________
Money can't buy happiness, but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than a Kia.
Quote
Old 22 Oct 2017, 14:33 (Ref:3775628)   #3
NaBUru38
Veteran
 
NaBUru38's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Uruguay
Las Canteras, Uruguay
Posts: 7,619
NaBUru38 should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridNaBUru38 should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridNaBUru38 should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
As a major sport, F1 earns a lot of money from both sponsors and broadcasting rights.

We saw Bernie Ecclestone deciding to switch from free to pay TV, therefore prioritising broadcasting rights over sponsors. Of course, that's because he had control over tv money and not sponsor money.

As you know, today there's more entertainment options available than ever. There's pay TV, cinema, Netflix, YouTube, videogames, social networks, live shows, nightclubs, porn... Getting and keeping fans is harder than ever, and F1 did the opposite for a long while.

It's easy to try to get more fans by offering free access. F1, like football, can't afford that. But there are multiple business models, and the market changes really quickly.

F1 wants to offer an over-the-top (standalone) streaming service. That's great, since people can sign up no matter any other entertainment options they have.

But how will F1 convince a casual sports fan in Lyon, Guadalajara, Istanbul or Perth to check an F1 race and sign up for that service? netflix has done it, but mny other have failed. The established platforms (Sky, DirecTV, Vodafone, Telefůnica) have a huge reach, and cannot be ignored to find new customers.

That's why it's interesting that F1 is negotiating with Netflix. They have refused to offer sports, as they are live-based, unlike films, so they lose value very quickly. But I doubt that F1 will tell Netflix to add race broadcasts to all subscribers, as it would be too expensive. Instead, I think that Netflix would offer a standalone package. So Netflix's job would be to promote the F1 package to its huge, worldwide customer base.
NaBUru38 is offline  
__________________
"Show me a driver who didnít make a handful of errors this year, and Iíll show you someone who wasnít trying hard enough." - David Malsher
Quote
Old 22 Oct 2017, 18:55 (Ref:3775657)   #4
Number4
Racer
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
England
The Dead South
Posts: 186
Number4 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Almost all of your premium content wish list is already available on F1.com and Sky race control.
Channel 4 show F1 free to air in Britain. They have to charge about £25,000 per 30 second advert to break even.
To have matched Sky's offer they would have to charge about £100,000 per advert.
F1 would have lost £100 million per year just from the UK if they had chosen a free to air broadcaster over a subscription supplier.
They don't care how many people watch, it is all about the bottom line on the share holders spread sheet.
Number4 is offline  
__________________
I Came, I Saw, I Conga'd
Quote
Old 23 Oct 2017, 11:35 (Ref:3775839)   #5
gert
Veteran
 
gert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Belgium
Antwerp
Posts: 3,373
gert should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridgert should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridgert should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
I think it's quite easy:
if they move to a pay-per-view model with no more free package:
* My dad and my brother who are both casual viewers will both stop watching
* I will try to find an illegal stream somewhere or stop watching altogether.
gert is offline  
Quote
Old 24 Oct 2017, 07:39 (Ref:3776043)   #6
chunder
Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
England
Stevenage
Posts: 7,997
chunder should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridchunder should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridchunder should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
This is the issue

F1 is moving to a pay model, not because fans want it, same as football, motogp, and most sport.

It only happens because the rights holder sells those rights, no other reason, money.

Dso you think sponsors want their product in front of less people? The sales people involved at FOM are walking a tightrope here.

I have watched some sports on dodgy streams for years and will NEVER pay for sports myself.

It is simply profiteering, and sadly as a world most are dumb enough to not realise what precedent is being set and just hand over their money without really thinking for the future, coz early on it was one company, then it was two, eventually it will be 5 or 6 all wanting your money all showing things you want, so your initial outgoing becomes 3 or 4 fold more.

Are we learning? Oh dear.
chunder is offline  
__________________
This used to be such a vibrant place. Unless you are Oz or like 24h races whats the point now?
Quote
Old 24 Oct 2017, 13:21 (Ref:3776114)   #7
Sodemo
Veteran
 
Sodemo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
United Kingdom
Solihull, West Mids, UK
Posts: 9,696
Sodemo should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSodemo should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSodemo should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSodemo should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by chunder View Post
This is the issue

F1 is moving to a pay model, not because fans want it, same as football, motogp, and most sport.

It only happens because the rights holder sells those rights, no other reason, money.

Dso you think sponsors want their product in front of less people? The sales people involved at FOM are walking a tightrope here.

I have watched some sports on dodgy streams for years and will NEVER pay for sports myself.

It is simply profiteering, and sadly as a world most are dumb enough to not realise what precedent is being set and just hand over their money without really thinking for the future, coz early on it was one company, then it was two, eventually it will be 5 or 6 all wanting your money all showing things you want, so your initial outgoing becomes 3 or 4 fold more.

Are we learning? Oh dear.
Exactly. This (for me) all started with Boxing in the late 90s and early 2000's. If the public had given it the middle finger by refusing to pony up for the pay per view fights, then they would have cancelled the program. However there are enough people in the world with more money than sense who will just pay up willingly for stuff which they previously received for free.
Sodemo is online now  
Quote
Old 24 Oct 2017, 15:06 (Ref:3776137)   #8
chillibowl
Veteran
 
chillibowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Canada
winnipeg, canada
Posts: 5,754
chillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by chunder View Post
Dso you think sponsors want their product in front of less people? The sales people involved at FOM are walking a tightrope here.

I have watched some sports on dodgy streams for years and will NEVER pay for sports myself.
i think sponsors what to put their products in front of people who might actually buy their products...so with all due respect, if people are not willing to pay for the event then how likely are they to buy the associated products?

but this is an old argument and i think also one that is a function of where one lives.

one of my bigger issues with Europe's FTA model was the lack of innovation.

in N.America, most major sports have been filming and broadcasting in HD since the late 90s/early 00s.

i think F1 had its first HD race in 2009/2010..almost a decade later.

anyways, agree to disagree, but all of the improvements in broadcast quality, amount of coverage, streaming options (both legal and illegal) have come about as the direct result of the investments made by the pay-wall sports channels.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sodemo View Post
If the public had given it the middle finger by refusing to pony up for the pay per view fights, then they would have cancelled the program...
well boxing effectively killed itself and it wasnt the pay model that did it otherwise the UFC would not have experienced so much growth.

rather, its not that people didnt want to pay, they just wanted something more if they did pay.

likewise, its only now that a pay wall exists that F1 consumers have any sort of influence over the sport at all and the powers that be are actually acknowledging our purchasing power.

prior to that, in the FTA era (even when viewership numbers were much higher) BE/FIA/FOM could care less what the fan base thought about anything.

anyways, just my opinion on the matter and no doubt its an unpopular one.
chillibowl is online now  
__________________
What shall we use to fill the empty spaces, where waves of hunger roar?
Shall we set out across the sea of faces in search of more and more applause?
Shall we buy a new guitar? Shall we drive a more powerful car?
Quote
Old 24 Oct 2017, 15:38 (Ref:3776148)   #9
Mike Harte
Subscriber
Veteran
 
Mike Harte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
United Kingdom
W. Yorkshire
Posts: 2,634
Mike Harte should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridMike Harte should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridMike Harte should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by chillibowl View Post
i
one of my bigger issues with Europe's FTA model was the lack of innovation.

in N.America, most major sports have been filming and broadcasting in HD since the late 90s/early 00s.

i think F1 had its first HD race in 2009/2010..almost a decade later.

anyways, agree to disagree, but all of the improvements in broadcast quality, amount of coverage, streaming options (both legal and illegal) have come about as the direct result of the investments made by the pay-wall sports channels.



well boxing effectively killed itself and it wasnt the pay model that did it otherwise the UFC would not have experienced so much growth.

rather, its not that people didnt want to pay, they just wanted something more if they did pay.

likewise, its only now that a pay wall exists that F1 consumers have any sort of influence over the sport at all and the powers that be are actually acknowledging our purchasing power.

prior to that, in the FTA era (even when viewership numbers were much higher) BE/FIA/FOM could care less what the fan base thought about anything.

anyways, just my opinion on the matter and no doubt its an unpopular one.
Sorry to disagree with you again, chilli, but this cannot be laid at the doors of the broadcasters.

F1 tele-visual output has been controlled by FOM for more years than I can remember, and it was BCE who refused to bring in the equipment to allow HD, etc. to be produced. It must be remembered that FOM has it's own TV production company that travels from race to race, and on the fly away races, requires at least two 747 freighters just for it's own equipment.

For years, Bernie dangled visual gimmicks in front of the media, promising all sorts of goodies such as split screen, with the ability to choose a camera located on your favourite's car. But that was all he ever did; talk about how good live coverage could be. However, it was even more money that he wanted for all these "improvements", and if broadcasters, whether FTA or PTV, weren't prepared to pay, then Mr E wouldn't provide the output.

For too long the public, whether that be enthusiast such as ourselves, casuals and, more particularly, politicians have failed to take action against the monopoly that the FIA allowed BCE to create, for just the cost of a few coins of silver. And that monopoly will still be in existence, unless it is overridden in the courts in meantime, for long after any of us have left this mortal coil.

And the TV rights monopoly are only a small part of the overall power that was invested in FOM by Todt.
Mike Harte is offline  
Quote
Old 24 Oct 2017, 15:52 (Ref:3776155)   #10
chillibowl
Veteran
 
chillibowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Canada
winnipeg, canada
Posts: 5,754
chillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
well thats kind of my point. FOM had no incentive to offer more (despite wanting to or claiming to want to of course) as long as FTA was the norm.

now that people are paying they are naturally demanding better quality and more viewing options...i think the speed with which the sport is now moving (their adoption of 4K/UHD this year for example) is a direct result of people now paying. in effect the sport is responding to the demands of the paying fan base.

to be honest though i dont now much about the TV/internet sales in the UK....my point could be all coincidental.

over here, owning an HD capable TV/digital broadcast/high speed internet/ formats and availability etc became the norm much earlier so maybe thats why our leagues moved over to better and more modern formats with more viewing options earlier on.
chillibowl is online now  
__________________
What shall we use to fill the empty spaces, where waves of hunger roar?
Shall we set out across the sea of faces in search of more and more applause?
Shall we buy a new guitar? Shall we drive a more powerful car?
Quote
Old 24 Oct 2017, 16:19 (Ref:3776164)   #11
Mike Harte
Subscriber
Veteran
 
Mike Harte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
United Kingdom
W. Yorkshire
Posts: 2,634
Mike Harte should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridMike Harte should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridMike Harte should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
In the UK, it's being demanded because to watch it on Sky, it now costs a minimum of £40 (currently $52.50) per month; that is a big chunk of money in anybody's language. Before anyone jumps down my throat, the F1 channel is now £18 p.m. but you also have to have the basic package at £22 p.m. to get the F1 add-on.

However, how long this story will continue is difficult to predict. For many reasons, the audience for F1 is shrinking, and certainly in the UK, that is largely due to moving towards PTV. The UK has an abundance of FTA, through the aerial and also via non-subscription satellite (Freeview and Freesat). And it needs to be remembered that we also have to pay for a TV Licence - currently £147 p.a. - if you watch live or catch-up programmes (no matter on which device), so in effect all our TV is PTV.

So, when it goes entirely behind the paywall, in just over 12 months time here in the UK, the audience numbers will start to dwindle. Unlike football (soccer), there is no bidding war between broadcasters to host F1, and F1 will then find that it has lost it's largest viewership.
Mike Harte is offline  
Quote
Old 24 Oct 2017, 16:53 (Ref:3776172)   #12
Akrapovic
Veteran
 
Akrapovic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Scotland
Posts: 6,274
Akrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by chillibowl View Post
i think sponsors what to put their products in front of people who might actually buy their products...so with all due respect, if people are not willing to pay for the event then how likely are they to buy the associated products?
Not paying for one thing doesn't mean you won't pay for another. Just look at the sponsors themselves for why this argument doesn't work.

Google'd F1, first sponsor I see is Santander. A bank. I can't go through life without a bank. Second sponsor is Red Bull. I personally don't drink energy drinks, but back when I did, this was the one I tended to drink. Third sponsor I see is Petronas. Not paying for F1 doesn't mean my car doesn't require lubrication. Next is Martini. I don't drink, but my Mrs does like a good Martini Asti. She's happy to buy that product, but she's not going to pay for F1.

I don't watch F1 outside of the basic Channel 4 coverage anymore. It would cost me around £40 a month to watch a series that I simply don't enjoy as much as I used to. I do not see £40 a month (that's almost £500 a year - €550, $650) value in F1. But I DO see £1.50 of value in a can of Red Bull. Or the value of simply having a bank.

Not paying for one product does not mean you are no longer a consumer. I also don't pay for TV movie channels. That doesn't mean I don't consume other items.

Edit: Basic question here. Why is £40 a month seen as an acceptable charge for F1? WEC coverage is £40 for the entire year (including Le Mans). That £40 includes all the qualifying and races live, and replays of the last race (after which they get released for free on YouTube). Includes onboard camera selection, live timing, additional text based commentary, and a live track map. Also works on phone apps and other devices such as games consoles. I'm not saying F1 doesn't provide this this, I'm just asking why there is a 12 fold price difference?

Last edited by Akrapovic; 24 Oct 2017 at 17:02.
Akrapovic is offline  
Quote
Old 24 Oct 2017, 17:35 (Ref:3776183)   #13
loon
Racer
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 178
loon should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
I can watch 3hrs of Super GT for free on the internet, closer more exciting racing than F1 and way sexier cars, no pay F1 for me
loon is offline  
Quote
Old 24 Oct 2017, 17:49 (Ref:3776188)   #14
chillibowl
Veteran
 
chillibowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Canada
winnipeg, canada
Posts: 5,754
chillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Mike offered more of breakdown on what the costs are and while 18/mos just for the F1 channel (which of course requires one to first buy a basic package - which it must be said provides a lot of other content as well) does seem on the surface high...but $10 per race, in relative terms, is a fair amount to pay for several hours of original content.

but i would agree, better price points need to be found and even a choice of which weekends/GPs a person wants to pay for.

more choice is always preferable.

anyways, your cable packages are still cheaper then ours (around CAN$100/mos for the basic tier of channels plus my sports channel add ons)

i do like the idea of a deal with Netflix (but maybe thats because i am already a subscriber to that). f1 content, highlights, features already bundled into what i think is a very affordable and competitively priced streaming service. and if they can work it so races can be shown on delay or even ultimately live even better.

and then if there is some real competition in the market place, then the cable subscriptions should decline as well.
chillibowl is online now  
__________________
What shall we use to fill the empty spaces, where waves of hunger roar?
Shall we set out across the sea of faces in search of more and more applause?
Shall we buy a new guitar? Shall we drive a more powerful car?
Quote
Old 24 Oct 2017, 18:18 (Ref:3776201)   #15
Akrapovic
Veteran
 
Akrapovic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Scotland
Posts: 6,274
Akrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by chillibowl View Post
Mike offered more of breakdown on what the costs are and while 18/mos just for the F1 channel (which of course requires one to first buy a basic package - which it must be said provides a lot of other content as well) does seem on the surface high...but $10 per race, in relative terms, is a fair amount to pay for several hours of original content.
But it's not $10 per race. It's a minimum payment of £40 (52USD, 66CND) just to get F1. That's without any other addon packages. Cable is not a requirement to watch UK TV - we have freeview services, which involve a simple £10 box that you plug into your wall. There is no subscription cost. To go from that, to watching F1, is £40 a month. £40 a month is £480 a year. On a 20 race calendar, that's £24 per race weekend.

Or I can buy WEC, get 8-10 races that are 6 hours each, plus the Le Mans 24 for £40 for the entire year (£4-8 per race depending on calendar). Or I can watch ELMS for free. Or IMSA for free. Or Blancpain for free. Or Creventic. Or BTCC. Or...I think you get my point.

"Is a fair amount to pay", is of course objective. To some it is, to others it is not. To me, it's insulting. I will pay for a product, but I won't pay well over double the cost of any other series to watch it. And frankly, the Sky product isn't as good as the BBC product was a few years ago. So now I have to pay AND get a worse product. I don't see what's too fair about that in all honesty.

Also, a lot of channels (Eurosport, for example) offer the ability to subscribe to the channel online for a reduction in cost. About £10-£15 a month IIRC. That is 3 channels, for less than 1 F1 channel, and doesn't include the need for the basic package of £22 a month. So...value for money?

If you use Virgin Media (the only real competitor to Sky in the UK), you get shafted even more. The F1 channel does not come as a stand-alone and you must get the base package, plus the entire Sky Sports package, at am cost of £32. So that £40 has become closer to £60.

None of this includes the UK TV license, which is a lovely ~£150 a year on top of all this.

I'm failing to see the value for money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b00gYutqcdo

F1 forced me to go embrace other motorsports, partially due to the restrictive nature of watching the series. As someone who is not well off, and does struggle by every month, I feel unwanted by F1. The sport has placed itself above me, and does not want my business. It actively goes out of the way to keep the price artificially high by refusing to offer services that other TV channels offer at significantly lower cost. It is restrictive, elitist and significantly more expensive than any other motorsport to watch. Whilst some can justify paying for it (and that's fine - pay what you want for something you enjoy), it is a bit insulting to suggest that it is "fair".

Maybe I'm just being a bit of an arse here, but I do consider myself a long term F1 fan (not as long as many here, but 1993-now is not bad IMO), and yet I find myself completely unaware of F1 races at weekends now because it's shut me out. But it's not a problem - I'm engrossed in this completely free HD stream that ELMS is providing for me to watch, on the world's biggest streaming platform. And when that's done, I'll stick on IMSA. And I'll appreciate these for the extra effort they put in to make the sport accessible to me. I don't want to play the "I'm not watching anymore" card, but I do think it's important this side is voiced.

Last edited by Akrapovic; 24 Oct 2017 at 18:25.
Akrapovic is offline  
Quote
Reply

Bookmarks




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Denver Race Sponsorship Stratagies - 7X Improvement in Revenue Snrub ChampCar World Series 1 24 Jun 2005 05:07
F1's Revenue Stream. Super Tourer Formula One 10 5 Jan 2005 04:22


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT. The time now is 14:55.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2018 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.