FIA/ACO to create universal GT class

[NelisB]

Originally Posted by MagVanisher

Agreed! Just don't force them to race in GTE/GT3 cars.

Would love to see the BRZ, Prius, CR-Z and Vemac

[MitchZ06]

Originally Posted by Ncrdbl1

First off you are listening to the voices in your head again.

Say what? How can they keep ACO ties if they ditch GTE?!?!?

And seriously, I don't think I'm yet to be called a troll by members of this forum so slinging around a line like the above quote isn't going to gain you any new friends....you've got no credibility as it is so maybe try not to tell me I've got voices in my head

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Ncrdbl1

First off you are listening to the voices in your head again. NO ONE in any way shape or form has said that LMP and GTE are gong to be a part of the new series. All they have said is they are going to try to keep ties with the ACO. Do not be surprised if the new GT series looks a LOT like a mixture of the GX and GT3 classes. Since the GTE will NO LONGER EXIST after 2015, it make little sense to design the combined rules to conform even close to that class.

You really should try to be more informed when trying to make definitive statements! I suggest you listen to the entire merger presser, then come back for your crow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCSXK6PikhQ




L.P.

[Ultimo]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

You really should try to be more informed when trying to make definitive statements! I suggest you listen to the entire merger presser, then come back for your crow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCSXK6PikhQ




L.P.

Don't feed the troll.

Ignoring is the best response.

[Mal]

As has been said this is potentially the most sensible decision in GT racing for years. Think about if a manufacturer can build a race car to one spec that can race in global and regional championships throughout the world then the chances of selling the cars are massively improved, the chances of making money are massively improved and therefore they are far more likely to build the cars and run a programme.

As long as it is executed properly with proper consultation with GA, GTA, SRO and all other series promoters then this should be a win win situation.

[Bentley03]

Originally Posted by Mal

As has been said this is potentially the most sensible decision in GT racing for years.

As long as it is executed properly with proper consultation with GA, GTA, SRO and all other series promoters then this should be a win win situation.

I can only agree, provided all parties can work together constructively. May common sense prevail!

[Maelochs]

Ginger4Justice nailed it: We are all confused because sports car racing organizers did something sensible.

GTE is getting more expensive every year, as is GT3. Privateers will be pushed out whether or not there is a new set of regs ... of course, there isn't much of a "set of regs" regarding GT3, which makes it a difficult place for manufacturers to play---too much in the hands of the Adjustment Bureau.

Instead of watching more money spread over two series until both go broke, FIA is writing a new set of rules to create a new class which should hopefully contain costs, provide equitable and stable rules which allow more manufacturers to build cars that can win, and which will continue to provide the excellent racing these two classes are known for.

Wow, FIA making a rational plan before the crisis arrives. Who would ever have imagined?

You know, the past several decades of history nonwithstanding, it might actually be possible for sports car racing to succeed as a sport and a business. Changes like this seem to take us int he right direction.

of course, as with all things, there is this caveat: if they don't screw this up, it could be a great opportunity ... If they don't screw this up.

(Say, anyone see that absolute flop of a race put on by that moribund WEC series at Fuji? Yeah, that race proves WEC is dying .... )

[Simmi]

Originally Posted by Maelochs

Wow, FIA making a rational plan before the crisis arrives. Who would ever have imagined?

Certainly agree with your points and everyone else's about this being a sensible decision and evidence of the powers that be looking at the bigger picture.

I'm massively all for it.

That said, I think it's naive (and this is not aimed at any one poster) not to think that the FIA/ACO are trying to leverage back a bit of power in the process, particularly when it comes to the WEC and Le Mans.

Not that I have any problem with that.

[Fogelhund]

How can any rational sane person not see the potential benefits in a universal GT rules set? Something that the manufacturers are attracted to, but controlling costs as well.

[Maelochs]

"How can any rational sane person not see the potential benefits in a <<unified North American Sports car Series>>? Something that the manufacturers are attracted to, but controlling costs as well."

of course, as with all things, there is this caveat: if they don't screw this up, it could be a great opportunity ... If they don't screw this up.

DPs as the top class! Rovals all the way!

For some irrational cause, I continue to be optimistic ... about the new GT class.

[Fogelhund]

I saw this quote this morning, and I thought it was appropriate not just here, but in any discussion about which cars to use.

Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them. -Albert Einstein

[Mr Pink]

Sorry if this is a stupid questin but regarding GT300, are they thinking of adapting their regs or are they just hoping they'll use the new rules? I love a lot of the cars in GT300 but don't they have a lot of performance balancing?

[lms]

Originally Posted by Mr Pink

Sorry if this is a stupid questin but regarding GT300, are they thinking of adapting their regs or are they just hoping they'll use the new rules? I love a lot of the cars in GT300 but don't they have a lot of performance balancing?

I think there are two different rulesets in this "class" (jaf gt300 and gt3) and gt3 will be already merged into the new gt category of the fia. Im not sure how the current jaf gt300 would fit in the new class as they are basically "dtm lite", completely different from gte and gt3. Also there is the new mother chassis with possibly insane aero (saw an image in rce). Possibly even more absurd designs than current jaf gt300, im not sure how those cars could be incorporated in a production based gt catgory.

[MagVanisher]

Originally Posted by lms

I think there are two different rulesets in this "class" (jaf gt300 and gt3) and gt3 will be already merged into the new gt category of the fia. Im not sure how the current jaf gt300 would fit in the new class as they are basically "dtm lite", completely different from gte and gt3. Also there is the new mother chassis with possibly insane aero (saw an image in rce). Possibly even more absurd designs than current jaf gt300, im not sure how those cars could be incorporated in a production based gt catgory.

Yeah, and they might beat the likes of Corvette or the 911 when it let loose at Le Mans. But then again, the mother chassis plan plus extreme aerowork would be scrapped once they merge to GT3/GT3.

[Fogelhund]

I can see GT300 including these new rules as a subset of what they do, but I cannot see the GT300 Japanese cars being a subset of the GTE/GT3 rules. It doesn't make sense to include things like the Subaru BRZ as a LM competitor to a Ferrari, or Porsche.

[TF110]

Why not? Corvettes are half or a third of the price. M3's are even cheaper. It's a 'sportscar' and this is sportscar racing. Maybe they'll be forced to make a model with higher power on the road. In reality though, the GT300's were never super powerful (~300hp). And GTE's make 100-200hp less than their road counterparts. I think they'd be glad to have more makes and models in their series.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

I can see GT300 including these new rules as a subset of what they do, but I cannot see the GT300 Japanese cars being a subset of the GTE/GT3 rules. It doesn't make sense to include things like the Subaru BRZ as a LM competitor to a Ferrari, or Porsche.

I agree.






L.P.

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

It doesn't make sense to include things like the Subaru BRZ as a LM competitor to a Ferrari, or Porsche.

Only a little cheaper than Z4, anyway.

[I Rosputnik]

Originally Posted by urdragon

Only a little cheaper than Z4, anyway.

I still want BMW to do a wide-body V8 Z4 homologation car. If Nissan can shove a GT-R engine into a Juke and sell it as a limited production model without racing it, then what is stopping BMW?

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by I Rosputnik

I still want BMW to do a wide-body V8 Z4 homologation car.

Like the GT1 GT-R, The GT1 GTR safety car looked like a toy in front of the James Rumsey GT-R.

[arakis]

Originally Posted by TF110

Why not? Corvettes are half or a third of the price. M3's are even cheaper. It's a 'sportscar' and this is sportscar racing. Maybe they'll be forced to make a model with higher power on the road. In reality though, the GT300's were never super powerful (~300hp). And GTE's make 100-200hp less than their road counterparts. I think they'd be glad to have more makes and models in their series.

actually the corvettes and BMW m3 racing cars are twice the price of the ferrari/porsche racing versions (GTE). (rough estimate)

[MitchZ06]

He's talking the road cars...

[arakis]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

He's talking the road cars...

which is irrelevant in race cars

[MitchZ06]

In a class based around marketing the road going version and only being able to race if a road going version is available I kinda think they're more relevant than anything....

[arakis]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

In a class based around marketing the road going version and only being able to race if a road going version is available I kinda think they're more relevant than anything....

That's the basic premize, yes. but since the introduction of BMW in 2009(I thing) that was all shoot to hell...

While a 430, 997 gt3, and a corvette are of comparable performace, the m3 is ridiculusly slow compared to them..

and since the new class will likely feature even more manufacturers with even more ridiculous performances compared to the top notch sports cars, the road relevance is shot to hell...

The best we can hope is that they make a stable set of rules, everyone will adhere to without waivers and BoP..., relax the GTE rulebook, but enforce it more strictly...

but I fear that is all fools hopes, the reality of the sport/and situation is that will just have a re-badged GT3 class..with the core of the GTE class going to the history books....