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Old 18 Nov 2012, 08:06 (Ref:3167781)   #61
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terence should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridterence should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid

But being "fia", anything goes,doesn,t it?
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Old 18 Nov 2012, 11:02 (Ref:3167866)   #62
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But being "fia", anything goes,doesn,t it?
Not like you to be cynical, Terry!

After reading that bit out of the HSCC regs did wonder how many have access to the '1966 RAC handbook'!

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Old 18 Nov 2012, 12:08 (Ref:3167889)   #63
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If you look at the HSCC Historic Touring Car Championship for Appendix K and HRSR Cars 2012 Regulations you will see under Technical Regulation 5(8).2 Prohibited modifications: “that suspension components must be of original design ... The original pickup points and mountings must be used. The original spring system must be retained though the spring rate itself is free. One spring may be replaced by another but not by a spring of different type. The common types are leaf, coil and torsion bar.”

Further Regulation 5(2): “If a model of car is Homologated then that car may use parts that appear within its Homologation papers up to December 31st 1966, and it may then be prepared to these regulations.”
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Old 18 Nov 2012, 13:19 (Ref:3167911)   #64
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For the record Warrens mustang runs as app.K

Whether those parts should be there i know not.
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Old 18 Nov 2012, 16:08 (Ref:3167982)   #65
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I doubt very much that the parts in question should not be where they are.HSCC are possibly the most policed clubs there are.
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Old 18 Nov 2012, 21:42 (Ref:3168145)   #66
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I thought the standard Mustang mod was the 'Shelby' mod where the upper wishbone mounting point to the fletch panel is lowered by an inch, I bet every race Mustang out there runs like that as its been done on these cars for years. Would that be illegal according to FIA?
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Old 19 Nov 2012, 09:57 (Ref:3168409)   #67
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Al, my take is that it would not be allowed. If you look at the very first post in this thread Article 6.3.1 specifically prohibits the changing of mounting points.
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Old 19 Nov 2012, 10:45 (Ref:3168424)   #68
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But is it not permissible if it can be proven that this modification was done in period?
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Old 19 Nov 2012, 12:05 (Ref:3168472)   #69
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zefarelly should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridzefarelly should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridzefarelly should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
easiest thing to do would be modify the homologation forms . . . . I've seen a few that literally have ( for example) 'piddly SU carbs' scribbled out and 'bloody great big webers' written over the top in biro!
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Old 19 Nov 2012, 12:53 (Ref:3168517)   #70
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On the Mustang I believe the mod was standard on the Shelby cars and may well have been homologated I don't know but if so i would have thought the mod on a Notchback was doubtful from the factory. Its the same as the Guilstrad mod on the 1st gen Camaro (not required on the 2nd gen like I race as the factory did it for you) but I bet most of the 'legal' cars have this modification. Its all about lowering the top wishbone inner mounting points and is not easy on the camaro as the frame has to be cut and shut. The object is to give more camber gain during cornering.
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Old 19 Nov 2012, 13:15 (Ref:3168528)   #71
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But is it not permissible if it can be proven that this modification was done in period?
Was it done legally in period? I don't see why cheating in period should make a mod legal today.
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Old 19 Nov 2012, 16:37 (Ref:3168626)   #72
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I agree Peter, but who can prove one way or another. buying opinions from skint reiree's was fashionable at one point . . .
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Old 19 Nov 2012, 17:52 (Ref:3168659)   #73
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I don't think it has to be proven, Joe. The mods allowed for App K cars are either on the homologation papers or contained in the overriding App K regs as shown in post 1 of this thread. Surely it is up to the entrant of any car running to App K regs to ensure that their car complies. If they believe ABC or XYZ applied in period they must prove it. It is not enough to say that this or that person/company cheated in period and, therefore, that is OK today.
It bloody well isn't!

Sorry for the language - it get's me a bit hot under the collar.

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Was it done legally in period? I don't see why cheating in period should make a mod legal today.
I meant if it was permissible in period, not if similar cheating occurred in period!
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Old 19 Nov 2012, 19:06 (Ref:3168704)   #75
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I meant if it was permissible in period, not if similar cheating occurred in period!
If it was permissible in period then it is up to entrants to prove it, surely.
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