2017 Australian GT Championship

[rich07]

Originally Posted by peckstar

20 seconds faster than the average car that was taking part is why i say they are out of place.



Is it fair that some cars get an advantage by having a test day, is it a coincidence that the 2 of the top 3 in qualyfying at the 12 hour took place in the Challenge. thus going forward its a must for 12 hour competitors



Does it matter if Gt3 dont take part in Challenge, surely its intention is for average Joe(or slightly better) to take his car and do laps around bathurst, not a GT3 test event.



However i think we all know what the problem is. The guy that sold the 12 hour is trying to keep his finger on the Gt3 vehicles and use them to build up his new event, while the guy that purchased the 12 hour is trying to keep the seller away.



National series, National rules

There was a Ferrari FXX planned to take part last year and that would've been faster even still. That's not a GT3 and I didn't hear anyone complaining about that car possibly participating. It's no different to any other track day. Some people go there just to cut laps, other people go there to test.

The comment about national series national rules shows how much you misunderstand the real problem here

[peckstar]

What other events are affected by this rule?

are the latest Gt3 cars turning up in state rounds of some event?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by rich07

There was a Ferrari FXX planned to take part last year and that would've been faster even still. That's not a GT3 and I didn't hear anyone complaining about that car possibly participating. It's no different to any other track day. Some people go there just to cut laps, other people go there to test.

The comment about national series national rules shows how much you misunderstand the real problem here

really quotes from CAMS, seems very national to me

The directive issued last month reads: “National Championships are sanctioned by CAMS to encourage, develop and recognise professional competition and provide a place or pathway for similar racing cars to compete fairly.
“Similarly Club Level, or grass roots competition is to provide a pathway for entry to the sport and for those who wish to compete in events where the focus is more on participation and enjoyment of the sport and not necessarily with a single desire to be performing at the highest levels of the sport.

As i mentioned, James O'brien is promoting his events using GT3 cars when he sold the rights to run Gt3 cars at bathurst to some one else. Now he is upset about it.

Based on last year, it is a small problem for everyone but James o'brien. Gt3 teams in Australia are already having enough problems getting to the events that are allowed to go to

[rich07]

Originally Posted by peckstar

really quotes from CAMS, seems very national to me







As i mentioned, James O'brien is promoting his events using GT3 cars when he sold the rights to run Gt3 cars at bathurst to some one else. Now he is upset about it.



Based on last year, it is a small problem for everyone but James o'brien. Gt3 teams in Australia are already having enough problems getting to the events that are allowed to go to

You still have no idea

This is bigger then CB. Those older GT3 cars that frequent the state rounds are affected by this also, they're not the latest and greatest cars that's for sure. GT4 cars are also on the restricted list which is utterly stupid as Porsche Cup cars are faster then them but aren't on the list.

It is a big problem for a lot of people. Take your head out of the sand.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by rich07

You still have no idea

This is bigger then CB. Those older GT3 cars that frequent the state rounds are affected by this also, they're not the latest and greatest cars that's for sure. GT4 cars are also on the restricted list which is utterly stupid as Porsche Cup cars are faster then them but aren't on the list.

It is a big problem for a lot of people. Take your head out of the sand.

Are older cars on the list? Thats not my understanding.

And where are Gt4s racing?

[T-star]

Peckstar causing trouble again by arguing for the sake of arguing.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by T-star

Peckstar causing trouble again by arguing for the sake of arguing.

Play the post, not the man

besides all im doing is agreeing with CAMS. Its the posters on here who are arguing against it

[T-star]

I would play the post. It it keeps getting edited


How is it fair, that if I had purchased a car with the intent of running certain events that CAMS can just make a decision all of a sudden that prevents me? It's not on the grounds of safety, it's just wrong and you know it.

[mayhem]

Originally Posted by peckstar

20 seconds faster than the average car that was taking part is why i say they are out of place.

Is it fair that some cars get an advantage by having a test day, is it a coincidence that the 2 of the top 3 in qualyfying at the 12 hour took place in the Challenge. thus going forward its a must for 12 hour competitors

2 of the top 3 in qualifying were also on track the Monday after the Challenge, were they not? Should that also be banned, BMW hiring the track for their own use?

If Garth Walden turned up in his Time Attack car for CB as was planned, every GT3 would have had to get out of his way. Should he have been banned?

Why am I not surprised that Peckstar returns from bandcamp and immediately posts against the grain?
The CAMS ruling has also had an effect on both the new and used racecar market which will, in time affect race team's cash flow. Not to mention at least one competitor who has withdrawn from buying a GT4 Audi because under these new rules from CAMS he cannot run it in state series.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by mayhem

2 of the top 3 in qualifying were also on track the Monday after the Challenge, were they not? Should that also be banned, BMW hiring the track for their own use?

If Garth Walden turned up in his Time Attack car for CB as was planned, every GT3 would have had to get out of his way. Should he have been banned?

Why am I not surprised that Peckstar returns from bandcamp and immediately posts against the grain?

minor issue that you make, as was my point in that case

Im not against the grain here, im supporting CAMS. Its the posters on here who are going against the grain.

Its not even a real issue, as it hardly has any effect on anyone, apart from a few teams trying to gain an advantage and a promoter who is also trying to gain an advantage

(it was Fiji by the way, not Band camp. Bula)

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by T-star

I would play the post. It it keeps getting edited


How is it fair, that if I had purchased a car with the intent of running certain events that CAMS can just make a decision all of a sudden that prevents me? It's not on the grounds of safety, it's just wrong and you know it.

But you didnt purchase a car for that purpose, No one has. so thus its completely fair

[mayhem]

Originally Posted by peckstar

(it was Fiji by the way, not Band camp. Bula)

Noqu lolosi ki Viti.

Vanaka.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

What other events are affected by this rule?

are the latest Gt3 cars turning up in state rounds of some event?

Other events affected include state rounds, hill climbs, sprints and arguably the Bathurst 12 hour (although that is an International event & probably outside all this CAMS shenanigans).

It doesn't really matter whether or not GT3 cars have been turning up to CB or any other events, the point is that up until this directive, they could choose to do so. Including GT4 in the directive makes no sense to me as well.

For someone with enough funds coming back to the sport, or starting off it would make sense to run your shiny new GT4 or GT3 car at state based events, work out how to deal with it and then look at national rounds. This directive from CAMS means that anyone new is forced to jump in at the deep end, which is neither good for them nor for the series (mobile chicane a la David Thexton).

I believe that to get a CAMS national licence you still need to have done 5 state events to the satisfaction of the Clerk of Course - hard to do that if CAMS won't let you run at that level. Means you'd need to hire something else to run.

The fact that 30 or so car/team owners are prepared to take CAMS on legally in addition to James O'Brien and any other event promoters speaks volumes to me - it is much more than the small issue you suggest Pecky.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Noqu lolosi ki Viti.

Vanaka.

[nafe!]

PECKY i would have thought your strong religious beliefs would clash with being the Dalai lama of trolling?

You must not be trully devoted to the heavenly father.

[peckstar]

here we go, the Brads little minions who cant argue against my points just come up with personal comments, rather than discuss the topics.

All i have done is supported CAMS point of view.

Nothing all wrong with what i have said, the points are fair, both sides have reasonable points of view

But personal attacks are not necessary

[T-star]

If CAMS backflips will you support their new stance?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by T-star

If CAMS backflips will you support their new stance?

Sure, their reasoning is sound, But its not perfect, just like the current structure. Pros and Cons

[PS2244]

I disagree peckstar, I don't think this decision is just or valid in my opinion, events such as the challenge Bathurst among others a) provided great opportunities for teams to test prior to the 12 hour as well as other GT events and b) provided rookie and amateur drivers a sound opportunity to gain mileage around tracks instead of "jumping in the deep end" per se

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by PS2244

I disagree peckstar, I don't think this decision is just or valid in my opinion, events such as the challenge Bathurst among others a) provided great opportunities for teams to test prior to the 12 hour as well as other GT events and b) provided rookie and amateur drivers a sound opportunity to gain mileage around tracks instead of "jumping in the deep end" per se

So why didnt teams test?

and at any point, let them book winton or Spa or PI, whichever track they like and go testing, why give the few an advantage

[Axeman444]

Their reasoning is so sound that Steve Richards is "bewildered" by it, has lost potential customers and money from car sales. ACRA has lost business. It has affected Cam McConville's plans for customers. Mark Coffey can't see the logic.

Hardly just James O'Brien being affected.

And why is James O'Brien allowing GT3/4 cars a problem? He is the promoter of the event! If people dont like that GT3/4s are running CB then they should go at Easter.

Why is CAMS not allowing GT3/4s to run outside of the GT3/4 series? It is a restraint that they have no business in enforcing. If Promotors have a problem with cars being entered, they can ban those cars. If other competitors have a problem with those cars being entered, they can take it up with the event promoters. If the promoters don't heed the competitors wishes they will lose their business. Simple

Originally Posted by peckstar

...while the guy that purchased the 12 hour is trying to keep the seller away

Wait... What...??? CAMS bought GT3??? Or CAMS are operating in the interest of VASC and/or T. Quinn and/or a prospective buyer of both??

And to be clear, if we dont agree on a topic, we are a minion of someone else? Better not acuse people of being a minion of VASC...

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

So why didnt teams test?

and at any point, let them book winton or Spa or PI, whichever track they like and go testing, why give the few an advantage

Ever tried booking Bathurst to test? Short version is that is not an option, plus the other tracks you mention are expensive (Spa is also very limited as like Bathurst it is a public road) compared to entering in a race meeting and getting actual race distance with other cars around you.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Ever tried booking Bathurst to test? Short version is that is not an option, plus the other tracks you mention are expensive (Spa is also very limited as like Bathurst it is a public road) compared to entering in a race meeting and getting actual race distance with other cars around you.

Sorry, why does it have to be bathurst? Surely if its about getting miles in a car, the venue doesnt matter

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Sorry, why does it have to be bathurst? Surely if its about getting miles in a car, the venue doesnt matter

CB is held at Bathurst, teams can run that event to get the driver and car at least partially sorted for the 12 hour or to just experience the track. It's a lot more than getting distance in a car, getting experience of each track carries many benefits.

[velly4]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Sorry, why does it have to be bathurst? Surely if its about getting miles in a car, the venue doesnt matter

Venue doesn't matter for a test....

A shakedown test maybe but not a test for a specific event.