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Old 18 Jan 2018, 20:18 (Ref:3793631)   #61
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Why is it a big change?
So if i reading this right, new bigger motor 20% more BHP, and new chassis, Cost up 25-40%, speed up

Nope just a small change, my mistake

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Old 18 Jan 2018, 20:28 (Ref:3793639)   #62
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How long until Supercars comes out and says they Oscar Fioronotto is building their own MARC Mustang...?
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Old 18 Jan 2018, 21:06 (Ref:3793652)   #63
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So if i reading this right, new bigger motor 20% more BHP, and new chassis, Cost up 25-40%, speed up

Nope just a small change, my mistake

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LOL, I didn't understand your implication when you mentioned changing a "hot hatch to a sporty coupe" you also meant changes to a standardised platform underneath.

And you knew all this prior to Speedcafe's story I assume? Apologies, my mistake [/sarcasm]
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Old 19 Jan 2018, 00:34 (Ref:3793697)   #64
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How long until Supercars comes out and says they Oscar Fioronotto is building their own MARC Mustang...?
Mind you MARC cars are already out there and running, and the organisation running them is credible...
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Old 19 Jan 2018, 00:36 (Ref:3793698)   #65
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Old 19 Jan 2018, 01:09 (Ref:3793701)   #66
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you have to wonder about 2020 and what happens with supercars

Lots of events signed up, one more year of media package, but no cars currently signed up for 2020 (might be able to drag out commodore, but falcon and nissan unlikely)

Will be interesting to see what happens
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Old 19 Jan 2018, 02:15 (Ref:3793708)   #67
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I recall PRA commenting that using the FG-X in season 2020 is still a viable option, as far as the previous model was used for that many seasons
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Old 19 Jan 2018, 02:19 (Ref:3793712)   #68
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I recall PRA commenting that using the FG-X in season 2020 is still a viable option, as far as the previous model was used for that many seasons
think that might have been 2019 (but open to correction) I havent seen anything letting it go that far, but its just a rule change

But car will be 4 years out of date by then

Even if it did, thats just postponing the inevitable, something has to happen
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Old 19 Jan 2018, 02:33 (Ref:3793714)   #69
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think that might have been 2019 (but open to correction) I havent seen anything letting it go that far, but its just a rule change

But car will be 4 years out of date by then

Even if it did, thats just postponing the inevitable, something has to happen


Not from PRA but I found this.
More confirming what is allowed rather than a teams plan though

https://www.motormag.com.au/features...-in-motorsport
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from https://www.carthrottle.com/post/zdyl2r8/

I do agree though its all about treading water until something else comes along.
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Old 19 Jan 2018, 02:38 (Ref:3793715)   #70
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Treading water is a good comparison, I feel like Supercars are waiting for teams to announce new models or even marques, while the teams are waiting for Supercars to announce changes to make the series more attractive to manufacturers. And we all sit around treading water, as 2019 rapidly approaches...
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Old 19 Jan 2018, 02:55 (Ref:3793719)   #71
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Treading water is a good comparison, I feel like Supercars are waiting for teams to announce new models or even marques, while the teams are waiting for Supercars to announce changes to make the series more attractive to manufacturers. And we all sit around treading water, as 2019 rapidly approaches...
I am doubtfull that there is anything thy can do to make it attractive to manufacturers

Manufacturers are moving away from this style car, They are all investing heavily in Electric, Australian manufacturing of cars has gone. Australian are buying other types of cars. SUV's, 4wd "utes" etc

The fans still seem to want this type of racing, but the maufacturers dont as it does not represent what they are selling. Maybe similar to MARC is the answer. V8 corollas, i30s,3s ceratos etcs
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The fans still seem to want this type of racing, but the maufacturers dont as it does not represent what they are selling. Maybe similar to MARC is the answer. V8 corollas, i30s,3s ceratos etcs
My problem is that with the Mustang creeping up to $350k, I do not know if this kind of cost is sustainable in this new world of no manufacturer support.

I do like the MARC philosophy but the cost is really right up there.
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Old 19 Jan 2018, 03:28 (Ref:3793723)   #73
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My problem is that with the Mustang creeping up to $350k, I do not know if this kind of cost is sustainable in this new world of no manufacturer support.

I do like the MARC philosophy but the cost is really right up there.
The numbers being quoted (for the mustang, not the focus/Mazda3) suggested they were about half 250K cheaper than a supercar and about half a GT3 (or more) while not being too far of their pace

Similar to a gT4 and a bit more than a TCR, however a fair bit quicker than both of those


It puts it or similar in a good position, especially as supercars already have a chassis. (and the current motors)
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Old 19 Jan 2018, 06:09 (Ref:3793733)   #74
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The fans still seem to want this type of racing, but the maufacturers dont as it does not represent what they are selling. Maybe similar to MARC is the answer. V8 corollas, i30s,3s ceratos etcs
Then you run into licencing problems with the cars if the manufacturers aren't interested but you want V8 Corolla's or i30s on a generic control platform

As you can see with the MARC II V8, it will have a Mustang style body, but won't be called a Ford Mustang
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As you can see with the MARC II V8, it will have a Mustang style body, but won't be called a Ford Mustang
Murky ground, manufacturer could easily put a stop to it if they wanted to.
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