The Hamilton way? - Page 3

Chiefy · 28 Jan 2010, 17:01 (Ref:2621122)

On the surface I think this is a very good idea. Without using their own valuable testing miles teams can get a look at the drivers of tomorrow in the machinery of yesterday (though wording it this way makes it sound less good!).

The only concern I'd have is the cost. If Driver A could have a day in a Formula One car or a weekend of GP2, which he might win, for the money, then what is he to do? The way I see this working is if F1 teams themselves consider putting up the money for certain drivers to be trialled at Mr Hamilton's GP Prep academy.

Nice idea in principle though.

courageous · 28 Jan 2010, 19:55 (Ref:2621243)

I've been thinking for a while that something should be done with the old F1 cars (at least before they qualify for BOSS racing) - a proper racing series for slightly detuned 1-2 year old F1 cars would help fill the chasm between GP2 & F1.

Using them for testing is a step in the right direction, but will they be stringent on properly qualified drivers or just a pay to play organisation?

Fox89 · 28 Jan 2010, 20:00 (Ref:2621250)

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Using them for testing is a step in the right direction, but will they be stringent on properly qualified drivers or just a pay to play organisation?

Does it matter? Properly qualified drivers will be able to take advantage as much as anyone else. And the times will distinguish who is good and who isn't.

RF_Racer · 28 Jan 2010, 21:11 (Ref:2621296)

AH seems like a slippery chap! I suspect he had a big involvment in the Ham V Alonso affair in 07. He was pulling Rons strings!

darcym · 28 Jan 2010, 21:22 (Ref:2621302)

it would appear I'm very much in the minority here, but that's fine that's why opinions differ.

Just to be clear - I'm not making a judgment on AH as an individual I know, I've said this or tried to in each post, its on the presentation he makes of himself and his son through the media. I have a low opinion of image the world media presents of these people as rightly said, I don't know these people so can only use the information and my take on it to form an opinion.

jab · 28 Jan 2010, 21:30 (Ref:2621305)

I think most people's problem with AH is that he comes across as quite smug. Not in a John Button kind of way - more of an intimidating self-satisfaction and supremacy. But all credit to the guy - he's got his son into F1, with the help of Ron and co, and he's starting to become a force to be reckoned with, what with him taking on young de Vries and now this as well. He's worked damn hard for it

duke_toaster · 28 Jan 2010, 22:05 (Ref:2621314)

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Originally Posted by courageous

I've been thinking for a while that something should be done with the old F1 cars (at least before they qualify for BOSS racing) - a proper racing series for slightly detuned 1-2 year old F1 cars would help fill the chasm between GP2 & F1.

The problem with the GP2/F1 gulf is with GP2, not something that can be addressed with the creation of more series. If GP2 was to be replaced with a series with multiple chassis (sale price capped), multiple engines (sale price capped and performance equalized) and a bit better promotion (best served, IMO, by affording it World Championship status and wrestling the Formula Two name from Super Formula Palmer Audi - oh, and FTA TV where possible) it would be a good idea.

It does seem that this is an interesting idea, but with this sort of stuff I think the testing ban rules do need to be looked at closely, especially if Mr Hamilton Jr starts driving one of the cars. With regards to where they will run these cars, as these are probably covered as Formula One cars for circuit licensing, I think they'd only have one option - Silverstone.

strider · 28 Jan 2010, 22:43 (Ref:2621330)

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Originally Posted by jab

I think most people's problem with AH is that he comes across as quite smug. Not in a John Button kind of way - more of an intimidating self-satisfaction and supremacy. But all credit to the guy - he's got his son into F1, with the help of Ron and co, and he's starting to become a force to be reckoned with, what with him taking on young de Vries and now this as well. He's worked damn hard for it

You think John Button is smug? Far out!

JeremySmith · 29 Jan 2010, 02:12 (Ref:2621407)

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Originally Posted by jab

I think most people's problem with AH is that he comes across as quite smug. Not in a John Button kind of way - more of an intimidating self-satisfaction and supremacy. But all credit to the guy - he's got his son into F1, with the help of Ron and co, and he's starting to become a force to be reckoned with, what with him taking on young de Vries and now this as well. He's worked damn hard for it

John Button smug are you serious? I suppose so otherwise you would not have written that (edited)

fourWheelDrift · 29 Jan 2010, 05:25 (Ref:2621449)

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Originally Posted by darcym

it would appear I'm very much in the minority here, but that's fine that's why opinions differ.

Just to be clear - I'm not making a judgment on AH as an individual I know, I've said this or tried to in each post, its on the presentation he makes of himself and his son through the media. I have a low opinion of image the world media presents of these people as rightly said, I don't know these people so can only use the information and my take on it to form an opinion.

And as I said earlier I share your opinion and I don't see anything wrong with having one. The guy has made himself a public figure and my view is based on what I have seen and heard of him I freely accept that it's an opinion based on the small amount of evidence I have and that it might change if I knew him better and of course others are entitled to different views and in many cases might have a better insight than mine. Because he is a public figure and is relevant to the discussion we all have a right to express our views here.

What puzzles me is the reaction of some on this forum that we are somehow not allowed to hold or express this negative opinion of Anthony Hamilton, I have no problem with others having and arguing a different view but that after all is just their opinion.

And just for the record I find Jenson and John Button to be interesting and likeable characters and Lewis to be ok too so no I don't have it in for the world, british drivers, success or any other group, my view is based on what I have seen and heard from AH himself.

Marbot · 29 Jan 2010, 09:34 (Ref:2621530)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

John Button smug are you serious? I suppose so otherwise you would not have written that (edited)

Amazingly, Jenson Button now comes across to some people as being arrogant????

RF_Racer · 29 Jan 2010, 11:13 (Ref:2621583)

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Originally Posted by darcym

it would appear I'm very much in the minority here, but that's fine that's why opinions differ.

Just to be clear - I'm not making a judgment on AH as an individual I know, I've said this or tried to in each post, its on the presentation he makes of himself and his son through the media. I have a low opinion of image the world media presents of these people as rightly said, I don't know these people so can only use the information and my take on it to form an opinion.

John Button comes across a decent chap even on tv, enthusiastic and normal. AH is some one if I was working with or for, I would watch my back, he seems very political and for self gain would screw anyone over. Thats just my view from the way he is coming across, I have worked with many people like this, as the corporate environment is full of slippery sharks.

Knowlesy · 30 Jan 2010, 02:04 (Ref:2622094)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Amazingly, Jenson Button now comes across to some people as being arrogant????

Rather like Lewis Hamilton still being branded a liar after Melbourne last year. One occurrence.

Makes us all liars then I guess.

JeremySmith · 30 Jan 2010, 03:14 (Ref:2622113)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Amazingly, Jenson Button now comes across to some people as being arrogant????

Darned if you do and darned if you don't...

Super Hans · 30 Jan 2010, 11:36 (Ref:2622200)

There is nothing more arrogant than conducting character assassinations of people you've never met on internet forums. Lewis Hamilton might be arrogant, he just as easily might not be. I don't know him so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Marbot · 30 Jan 2010, 12:20 (Ref:2622220)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Rather like Lewis Hamilton still being branded a liar after Melbourne last year. One occurrence.

Makes us all liars then I guess.

Hamilton did lie, it wasn't that he just had a difference of opinion, and he did it in front of millions.

Maybe he isn't a liar any more? I don't know, I haven't met him. Would I know if he was a liar if I had?

Marbot · 30 Jan 2010, 12:27 (Ref:2622224)

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Originally Posted by Super Hans

There is nothing more arrogant than conducting character assassinations of people you've never met on internet forums. Lewis Hamilton might be arrogant, he just as easily might not be. I don't know him so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

No one is questioning Hamilton's arrogance. However, someone was questioning John Button's smugness.

He may have only been smug once, but it's such a serious character flaw that people will tend to remember it for long periods of time.

TwoSheds · 2 Mar 2010, 14:11 (Ref:2643313)

*bump*

Lewis Hamilton no longer to be managed by his Dad.

BBC

Autosport

Knowlesy · 2 Mar 2010, 14:37 (Ref:2643329)

So arrogant, he thinks he can do it all on his own.

ECW Dan Selby · 2 Mar 2010, 15:00 (Ref:2643340)

Well, that's one less non-F1 person we have to watch too many times during the course of a race..!

Although he's back with the Pussycat now, isn't he.... lol

Selby

strider · 2 Mar 2010, 15:43 (Ref:2643352)

He's probably seen how well Jenson gets on with his Dad in a non-managerial relationship and decided that's the way to go.

fourWheelDrift · 2 Mar 2010, 15:55 (Ref:2643359)

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Originally Posted by TwoSheds

*bump*

Lewis Hamilton no longer to be managed by his Dad.

BBC

Autosport

I am so pleased he has taken this step, since he came into F1 I have been concerned by this relationship which I have long suspected is unhealthy for both his professional and private lives. If he takes on a proper professional manager who is not a family member I think we will see him grow into a much better rounded driver and personality on and off the track.

old man · 2 Mar 2010, 17:50 (Ref:2643448)

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Originally Posted by fourWheelDrift

I am so pleased he has taken this step, since he came into F1 I have been concerned by this relationship which I have long suspected is unhealthy for both his professional and private lives. If he takes on a proper professional manager who is not a family member I think we will see him grow into a much better rounded driver and personality on and off the track.

Could not agree more, this is a wise move from which both will benefit. Once a driver gets to international level "Dad" is too close and a degree of emotional involvement cannot be avoided. He will still be there to offer his opinion.

MGDavid · 2 Mar 2010, 18:55 (Ref:2643488)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

So arrogant, he thinks he can do it all on his own.

where did that come from? not in the articles I read, which very clearly state he is replacing Dad with a new manager.

Super Hans · 2 Mar 2010, 19:16 (Ref:2643502)

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Originally Posted by MGDavid

where did that come from? not in the articles I read, which very clearly state he is replacing Dad with a new manager.

I believe Knowlesy was sarcastically pre-empting the anti-Lewis mob.

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