Grading, confused? I am! - Page 6

gachjoel · 4 Aug 2007, 11:19 (Ref:1980385)

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Originally Posted by witan_

Who needs a complicated grading system?

There`s nowt complicated about the new grading system.

as long as you take the time to read it properly.

its like everything thats new, looks worse than it is.

Norbert · 6 Aug 2007, 08:21 (Ref:1982243)

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Originally Posted by Alpha Charlie 6

Do you remember the ''bible'' Norbert???

How could I ever forget the 'Bible', no morning briefing was ever complete without a lesson from it!

There is no substitute for age (oops sorry I meant experince!

)

And a good teacher definitely helps!

gachjoel · 3 Sep 2007, 19:21 (Ref:2002931)

looks like i was wrong.
This new grading system must be more complicated than the basics i have been reading.
3 requests for an assesment upgrade and no one knows what to do.
Well thats what i`m being told anyway ?

Any suggestions ?

I was told to write to the MSA for futher clarification on the requirements of this upgrade stuff.

numbersix · 5 Sep 2007, 07:49 (Ref:2004057)

My understanding is that, having got the required number of attendence sigs plus any training sigs (e.g. fire) for your new grade, you then approach the chief marshal at your next race with the request that they place you with an Examining Observer. The XO will monitor you throughout the day in the same way as the olden days, i.e. if nothing happens, or if you do not perform sufficiently well, you DO get the usual attendence sig (clearly, because you attended) but in the comments section of your attendence record book the XO will specifically state that his sig is not valid for an assessment. If you do perform to the XO's satisfaction, they WILL state so in the comments section and you can then use this record to request an upgrade in the usual way by sending a request and the record card (make sure you keep a photocopy) to the grading section of your principal club. They should then action it in exactly the same way as they did with the old card.
I think that's the theory but screw ups will occur as per usual

mainly in the form of an XO not knowing what he/she is signing.
As for getting sigs from 'Trainer Buddies' and so forth, I have no idea.
Phil

Nighthawk · 5 Sep 2007, 08:15 (Ref:2004066)

'Trainer Buddies' There are 53 of them according to the MSA Aint seen any yet as For Observers sorry Post Chiefs its a mixed feeling as to sigs, Have only seen the comments section used once But it is for us to use according to MSA.
Grading is as confusing to me as it is to everyone else.

Robin_D · 5 Sep 2007, 12:09 (Ref:2004222)

I was observer on the Saturday even though this is not my normal role. I signed two cards as it was my understanding that I could. I was then told by someone in the know that this was correct thing to do.

I felt that both of the sigs I did deserved comments as they did an outstanding job but I didn't know about the comment box.

bluebeard · 5 Sep 2007, 12:20 (Ref:2004229)

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Originally Posted by Robin_D

but I didn't know about the comment box.

Don't feel you are on your own! comments 'box' shoud be alongside the individual days record NOT tucked away somewhere at the back where its never seen & forgotten about! Can't begin to imagine why it was designed that way

Nighthawk · 5 Sep 2007, 13:57 (Ref:2004298)

I always make a point of looking at the comments section before i sign.
As i said only ever seen 1 comment,
But comments can make a differance in how you percieve a person within there role on the day.

mattt · 5 Sep 2007, 15:45 (Ref:2004378)

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Originally Posted by Nighthawk

As i said only ever seen 1 comment

ive got 2 very positive coments in myn from my 4th and my 5th meetings.

gachjoel · 5 Sep 2007, 15:51 (Ref:2004380)

Numbersix,
thats exactly how i see things,but 2 chief marshals don`t know what to do for some strange reason.
i currently have 5 flag & 18 incident.

as far as comments go,i only have one comment for cars,due to the nature of the crash.
the other incidents i have attended are the usual to which i personally dont really deserve a comment.
Plus i have also put down the days in the comments that i have done incident/Post Chief at bike meetings and what the number of accidents/reports done.

I know the record book is MSA and bikes ain`t,but if someone reads it,it gives them idea of my time on the bank and other motorsport incidents i have dealt with...

Robin,
i`m not an observer but like you have signed record cards aswell.
As long as you are the I/C on that post,its fine..

and if it aint fine,well oooooopppppssssss lol

Nighthawk · 5 Sep 2007, 16:43 (Ref:2004439)

works fine fine but strange at silverstone where the I/O is in charge and you are a graded Observer

Circuitmarshal · 5 Sep 2007, 17:39 (Ref:2004502)

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Originally Posted by gachjoel

I know the record book is MSA and bikes ain`t,but if someone reads it,it gives them idea of my time on the bank and other motorsport incidents i have dealt with...

I get my card signed for ALL events as that is how it was told to me.
It's is a record of your marshalling, so if you marshal get it signed, then it shows ALL your experience not just the same thing all the time.

CombeMarshal · 5 Sep 2007, 18:10 (Ref:2004526)

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Originally Posted by Nighthawk

'Trainer Buddies' There are 53 of them according to the MSA Aint seen any yet as For Observers sorry Post Chiefs its a mixed feeling as to sigs, Have only seen the comments section used once But it is for us to use according to MSA.
Grading is as confusing to me as it is to everyone else.

Trainer Buddies, are they some sort of device for storing running shoes!!!

Grandslammer · 5 Sep 2007, 18:16 (Ref:2004530)

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Originally Posted by CombeMarshal

Trainer Buddies, are they some sort of device for storing running shoes!!!

Is that the best you could do for your 1000th post ?

Robin_D · 5 Sep 2007, 19:42 (Ref:2004583)

IO's are in charge of the people on the ground and the Observers do their job. Some post's don't have an Observer though.

Mark Mitchell · 5 Sep 2007, 21:36 (Ref:2004669)

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Originally Posted by Robin_D

IO's are in charge of the people on the ground and the Observers do their job. Some post's don't have an Observer though.

Slight correction Robin......OBSERVERS are in charge of the people on the ground.......IO's are the one's who know what to do!!

Robin_D · 5 Sep 2007, 21:39 (Ref:2004675)

Heh Heh. That is why I do neither Mark

JimW · 5 Sep 2007, 21:58 (Ref:2004694)

And that's why I do both.

Regards

Jim

gachjoel · 5 Sep 2007, 22:13 (Ref:2004707)

So getting back to the point my fellow posters....

After requesting 3 times and getting no where.

What should i do next....except for praying

Justin Moran · 6 Sep 2007, 05:43 (Ref:2004837)

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Originally Posted by gachjoel

So getting back to the point my fellow posters....

After requesting 3 times and getting no where.

What should i do next....except for praying

Have been told from a very reliable source that assesments dont actually start until 2008! So I'm just gonna sit tight and wait. It'll be here before we know it and hopefully the MSA will have explained the situation to the relevant people and we can get moving up the order so to speak!

gachjoel · 6 Sep 2007, 07:01 (Ref:2004857)

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Originally Posted by C9/89

Have been told from a very reliable source that assesments dont actually start until 2008! So I'm just gonna sit tight and wait. It'll be here before we know it and hopefully the MSA will have explained the situation to the relevant people and we can get moving up the order so to speak!

Ok cheers for that

numbersix · 6 Sep 2007, 08:04 (Ref:2004922)

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Originally Posted by Mark Mitchell

....IO's are the one's who know what to do!!

No, in my case it's the incident lads who know what to do, I just strut around looking stunningly handsome and efficient and taking all the credit

Quote:

Originally Posted by C9/89

Have been told from a very reliable source that assesments dont actually start until 2008! So I'm just gonna sit tight and wait. It'll be here before we know it and hopefully the MSA will have explained the situation to the relevant people and we can get moving up the order so to speak!

I know for a fact that a set of advisory documents for marshals are being prepared at this moment, so hopefully all will become clear(er) soon. In the meantime think of all the experience we're racking up

Nighthawk · 6 Sep 2007, 08:33 (Ref:2004942)

OBSERVERS are in charge of the people on the ground.......IO's are the one's who know what to do!!
True but all Observers are ex I/Os
Silverstone I/Os take no notice of the Observers in most cases.
And I am happy to take a back seat......
A law unto themselves, Granted they do have a way of things on this circuit.

Robin_D · 6 Sep 2007, 10:53 (Ref:2005050)

I think that's a very bad attitude to have in my opinion. If you work with the IO's it can be a lot more rewarding. I know of a few observers on here that work with the IO's instead of working on their own or against them.

Mark Mitchell · 6 Sep 2007, 10:58 (Ref:2005052)

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Originally Posted by Nighthawk

True but all Observers are ex I/Os

No they're not!

I have never been an IO

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