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I said it, as a purist.
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I was just SO surprised Perez let Ocon back through! Thought it might have been the best bit!
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It’s the point of the game. The money makes it harder to treat it as only a game. I see what you are saying.
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Bit of pants really. After turn 1, we all knew the outcome. I wanted Bottas and Perez to throw toys our of prams.. but really.. it was never going to happen. Even Coulthard admitted he only moved over for Mika if he got his "win" money bonus. Says it all really.. not "proper" racing..
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I wonder what this might do for the new partner in the betting business.Might be enough to make them question whether the relationship is worth anything at all.
I couldn't help seeing Bernie once again acting as the greeter to the VIP delegation,about the only time we see him these days.Its a strange business that makes no effort to use the abilities of such a man considering what he did to establish and promote the championship. |
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Thanks for the message.. I'm a bit like Perez.. I'm confused how to answer.. Old man syndrome.. hope it got through Adam...
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Yeah.. wow.. Bernie.. white beard and sunglasses with Putin. He's got a new job...
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It makes me wonder whether Vlad's mate Donald will get the same reception in Austin.
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I knew there would be people out there commenting as if Merc are the only team ever to impose team orders. Maybe it was a but awkward, but I’m sure they’ll sort any difficulties out
Vettel was on the edge with those two changing of lines. And it seems Magnussen was up to his old tricks again Good recovery by both RBRs, especially as Danny was hobbled at the first part of the race with a damaged front wing |
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Ferrari did it before, RBR did it before. Others did it before them. Others got criticized for it. Mercedes deserved to be as heavily criticized as the others. They are not worse than any of the others, but not better either. Just as bad (or good, depending on how you look at it) Quote:
If he didn't want it, he could have given it back to Bottas. He didn't. Or he could have proposed to his team to give it back. I didn't hear that get broadcast, so either he didn't propose it or the directors chose not to broadcast his conversation. The former seems more likely I'd think. Last edited by gert; 30 Sep 2018 at 23:43. |
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At least F1 is unique in being pretty much the only sport that legalises match fixing.
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Exactly- it’s F1, not “proper” racing! Thought We’d be used to that by now, team orders have been going on long enough, from the early days when (as mentioned several posts back) drivers came in on request and gave their healthy car to a team mate....
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It doesn't make it any better and also in those days it was a drivers championship only. I agree team orders are fine but there has to be some context to them. Lewis was still in control of the championship even if he finished second. But as I said above I didn't watch it because I knew the outcome already.
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A point in the first race of the season carries the same value (in terms of championship and prize money) as a point the last race. The only time Lewis will have a big enough lead is when the title is decided. If team orders are acceptable at any point in the season, they should be acceptable through the whole season. Quote:
How about when a cricket team declares to try and get a result - 'fixing'? In football, when the team decides who will take a penalty, and affects the betting on scorers - 'fixing'? In a lot of sports, teams can do things within the rules to achieve the result they desire from a given situation, it is up to the competition to change that. In this case, the onus was on Ferrari to prevent Mercedes from being able to control who won the race - but they failed. |
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Look at it another way Mercedes could have missed out on a drivers 1-2 in the drivers championship. Bottas could miss out by a handful of points. If Bottas won he would have been about the same numbers of points behind Vettel as Vettel would be behind Hamilton.
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Context? You didn't watch which is fine...'understood why you didn't know. Lewis' left rear had blistered around the center (one could see them) so there was context. |
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Football does also award prizes to individuals in a team sport. The main difference I see here though is that Formula One chooses to highlight the driver's result more than the team's result. But they also award a team's prize on every podium - and the finances are distributed based on the team's position, not the drivers' The public face of F1 is that it is all about the drivers - they are the household names. But the private side is that everything revolves around the collective team performance. |
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