Lites / LMP3 - Page 29

**joeb** · 2 Feb 2016, 13:13 (Ref:3610881)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...3-in-elms.html

Well it will be nice to finally see this thing on the track! Pretty good move by the constructor to partner with Murphy and drive the car themselves. Hopefully it debuts more like the Ligier and less like the Addess.....

Coach Ep · 2 Feb 2016, 13:39 (Ref:3610885)

Yes, great to finally see a more dedicated announcement concerning this project, now it's time to show pics/videos of the car on track!

With Tony Ave and Doug Petterson doing the operating of the car I certainly don't expect any fireworks from the driving side of the project, Doug is the owner of 3D, Tony the co-constructor of the car. Both are Trans-Am veterans (and former champs!) but I think they'll get blown out of the water by a couple of the quicker youngsters in some of the Ligier armada.

It'll all be about development for this car and team and for that experienced drivers are definitely a plus. But do they have any european racing experience at all?

Anyway, this car is guaranteed a spot on the seasonal entry list.

**joeb** · 2 Feb 2016, 18:28 (Ref:3610969)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Yes, great to finally see a more dedicated announcement concerning this project, now it's time to show pics/videos of the car on track!

With Tony Ave and Doug Petterson doing the operating of the car I certainly don't expect any fireworks from the driving side of the project, Doug is the owner of 3D, Tony the co-constructor of the car. Both are Trans-Am veterans (and former champs!) but I think they'll get blown out of the water by a couple of the quicker youngsters in some of the Ligier armada.

It'll all be about development for this car and team and for that experienced drivers are definitely a plus. But do they have any european racing experience at all?

Anyway, this car is guaranteed a spot on the seasonal entry list.

Your points on the driver lineup are spot on. While they are both capable trans-am drivers, attacking a new series (on new to them tracks) with new machinery is a tall order.

Perhaps they will both be great drivers and surprise us, who knows. And while I like the idea of showcasing your product to potential buyers, is this the best way?

Mike E · 2 Feb 2016, 21:18 (Ref:3611032)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Your points on the driver lineup are spot on. While they are both capable trans-am drivers, attacking a new series (on new to them tracks) with new machinery is a tall order.

Perhaps they will both be great drivers and surprise us, who knows. And while I like the idea of showcasing your product to potential buyers, is this the best way?

Maybe it's the only way if no one else wants to run their car?

Mike E · 2 Feb 2016, 22:18 (Ref:3611051)

A 6th LMP3 constructor? Or a replacement for Ginetta?

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/bie...tructeur-lm-p3

Lanan · 2 Feb 2016, 22:57 (Ref:3611060)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

A 6th LMP3 constructor? Or a replacement for Ginetta?

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/bie...tructeur-lm-p3

Why Norma a 6th constructor ?...Because they are French ?

Why a replacement for Ginetta ? Ginetta continue to produce an homologated LMP3 car

BullMan · 2 Feb 2016, 23:55 (Ref:3611073)

They upped the limit from 4 to 5 so Dome could join after Ginetta bailed. Why can't they do this for P2 if someone else wants to build a car?

FormulaFox · 3 Feb 2016, 03:42 (Ref:3611124)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

They upped the limit from 4 to 5 so Dome could join after Ginetta bailed.

As has already been noted above, Ginetta has not bailed. They're still building a homologated P3 chassis

Mike E · 3 Feb 2016, 07:19 (Ref:3611149)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

As has already been noted above, Ginetta has not bailed. They're still building a homologated P3 chassis

They will build you one if you want one but you get the feeling they don't really want to.

"In terms of quality of the car, we have moved on tremendously from the LMP3 car which had a tight budget. We found that a challenge from an engineering point of view. We’ve enjoyed being involved in LMP3, it’s been great fun, but this car is the next step for us." Lawrence Tomlinson, talking about the G57.

TzeiTzei · 3 Feb 2016, 08:23 (Ref:3611159)

Ginetta cashed in while they were the only lmp3 car around. Then the Ligier showed up...

FormulaFox · 3 Feb 2016, 10:44 (Ref:3611182)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

They will build you one if you want one but you get the feeling they don't really want to.

"In terms of quality of the car, we have moved on tremendously from the LMP3 car which had a tight budget. We found that a challenge from an engineering point of view. We’ve enjoyed being involved in LMP3, it’s been great fun, but this car is the next step for us." Lawrence Tomlinson, talking about the G57.

Completely irrelevant. The Ginetta is still homologated in LMP3 and they're still, as you note, building cars for customers that want them. Until this changes, all of the LMP3 chassis slots are taken.

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Originally Posted by TzeiTzei

Ginetta cashed in while they were the only lmp3 car around. Then the Ligier showed up...

...And failed to win. The Ligier JSP3 didn't exactly dominate against Ginetta.

Sure, it beat all but one Ginetta on it's debut, but the fact that it couldn't seal the deal tells me the two cars were pretty even - teams and drivers made the difference.

Akrapovic · 3 Feb 2016, 12:22 (Ref:3611199)

I thought Ginetta were now building the car to go racing in places like VDV?

Didn't the Ligier have a single race, with an all Am team, against a basically works Ginetta team? The Ginetta will be long forgotten after the other cars arrive. They cashed in on being the first, not the best.

Lanan · 3 Feb 2016, 13:33 (Ref:3611217)

Ligier had as good a driver line up, for the only race it attended due to their testing commitments.

"Ginetta cashed in "...????
There would be no LMP3 class if it hadn't been for GInetta.
Neither Ligier or any manufacturer were prepared to build a car on the hope that the class would work when I contacted them in the middle of 2014.

Unfortunately Ginetta's presence will be limited, but that is to do with Lawrence's spat with Oreca / ACO rather than the quality of the car.

Mike E · 3 Feb 2016, 18:52 (Ref:3611316)

I think this Ginetta story could be really interesting when all the details come out one day...

FormulaFox · 3 Feb 2016, 19:42 (Ref:3611321)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I thought Ginetta were now building the car to go racing in places like VDV?

VdeV is allowing ALL LMP3 cars in their GT-Endurance series. They don't need to build the car for it - if that's where a buyer wants to go, that's where they go.

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Didn't the Ligier have a single race, with an all Am team, against a basically works Ginetta team?

The Ginetta that beat the Ligier was helmed by an amateur driver, just as all P3s are. LMP3 was designed to be an am class, so they'll be making up the bulk of the drivers in the class.

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The Ginetta will be long forgotten after the other cars arrive. They cashed in on being the first, not the best.

You keep thinking that if you want, but if the Ginetta was so hopeless a car that everyone else is going to beat it, then Ligier would have had no problem in that single race.

Ephaeton · 3 Feb 2016, 19:52 (Ref:3611324)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

VdeV is allowing ALL LMP3 cars in their GT-Endurance series. They don't need to build the car for it - if that's where a buyer wants to go, that's where they go.

Pretty sure Akrapovic was referring to the G57, which is not built to P3 regs, and thus not welcome everywhere where a P3 is welcome.

Sure, Ginetta still has the P3, but then this was said (e.g. here)

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Ewan Baldry, Ginetta Technical Director added;“We’ve had a great season with ELMS, but Team LNT had only ever planned to contest one full season. For 2016, we will continue to support our customers who remain within the series, but as a manufacturer, our attentions now turn to the Ginetta G57.”

(emphasis by me)

TzeiTzei · 3 Feb 2016, 19:58 (Ref:3611327)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

You keep thinking that if you want, but if the Ginetta was so hopeless a car that everyone else is going to beat it, then Ligier would have had no problem in that single race.

You're making a lot of assumptions based on a single race. Many LMP3 teams seem to think that the Ligier is the car to have. I haven't heard of any teams buying Ginettas lately, but maybe just haven't paid attention.

Bcarr6 · 3 Feb 2016, 20:34 (Ref:3611343)

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Originally Posted by Ephaeton

Pretty sure Akrapovic was referring to the G57, which is not built to P3 regs, and thus not welcome everywhere where a P3 is welcome.

Sure, Ginetta still has the P3, but then this was said (e.g. here)

(emphasis by me)

Exactly right, Ginetta will still make LMP3s for customers, just bye bye to factory racing team.

Just a co incidence that everyone decided Ligier is better despite only seeing one race

Jam3s · 4 Feb 2016, 00:06 (Ref:3611391)

The Ligier is a better product, better build quality and design decisions, there's no doubt about that. When you can purchase either for the same price, the choice becomes easy. The Ginetta may be as quick, but that's only half of what a team looks at when purchasing a product, they also have to consider how well it's put together and how easy it is to work on.

Nothing against Ginetta, they went with the quick development with compromises in order to cash in on a full season as the only party and they succeeded in that goal.

Akrapovic · 4 Feb 2016, 08:33 (Ref:3611467)

Remember that a couple of teams were unhappy with the Ginetta too. It isn't just the fans asking why it's falling apart.

TheMightyM · 5 Feb 2016, 19:07 (Ref:3612060)

And the market has spoken: Of the 20 ELMS LMP3 entries, 19 are Ligiers and one is a Riley. No Ginettas.

Deleted · 5 Feb 2016, 19:16 (Ref:3612062)

Would be awful if CPB Sport's ADESS was rejected for another Onroak by the ACO.

ascarracinguk · 5 Feb 2016, 19:57 (Ref:3612085)

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Originally Posted by TheMightyM

And the market has spoken: Of the 20 ELMS LMP3 entries, 19 are Ligiers and one is a Riley. No Ginettas.

That's because the ginetta Chevy engine isn't homologated....who knows why! Looks like they're gunning for the lmpc replacement in America

BullMan · 5 Feb 2016, 19:59 (Ref:3612086)

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Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

That's because the ginetta Chevy engine isn't homologated....who knows why! Looks like they're gunning for the lmpc replacement in America

LMP3 has only one engine option. The engine isn't the reason nobody is running the Ginetta. The reason is that Ginetta is done with LMP3.

ascarracinguk · 5 Feb 2016, 20:05 (Ref:3612089)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

LMP3 has only one engine option. The engine isn't the reason nobody is running the Ginetta. The reason is that Ginetta is done with LMP3.

How come they're not running then, seems such a shame :/(

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