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Old 20 Mar 2006, 10:18 (Ref:1554155)   #1
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Incident Officers brief

What do you put in your morning brief
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 12:20 (Ref:1554226)   #2
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I/O Briefing

Who I am, welcome to marshals from other circuits, then the usual stuff.

Characteristics of the part of the circuit we're responsible for, how I want an incident handling, e.g. taking a bottle, where cars are to be pushed to, electrics, looking after the driver, how/when we're snatching, etc.

Finally safety priority, marshals first then driver, then car.

Standard stuff really
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 12:51 (Ref:1554255)   #3
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Sometimes a good idea to ask how much experience everyone has as well.

Had a useless observer at Brands a couple of seasons ago whose briefing consisted of, "Right, you all look like you know what you're doing, I'll leave you to sort yourselves out, have a good day", and with that went back to his hut to get a coffee.
Don't know how he came to his assumption as nobody on the post had been marshalling for more than 2 seasons and two were still novices. Questions were met with "I'll let you decide" or "That's up to you". We were fuming, but as it was, when things did happen we coped, and given his general level of incompetence, we were quite glad he stayed out of it!

So I'd say don't assume people know what they're doing - better to teach grannie to suck eggs than see grannie mown down by a Formula Ford!

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Old 20 Mar 2006, 13:03 (Ref:1554268)   #4
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First thing is introductions. Get to know how much experience everybody has, whether they have done the post before, etc. - that determines how you organise the team & much detail to put into the briefing.

I start with safety, do a quick run through incident handling (bottle to every incident, that sort of stuff) then anything specific to the post & to the meeting (where cars go off, use of safety car, methanol, etc., as relevant).

I always ask if there are any questions, remind everybody that we're here to have fun, then ask the observer if (s)he has anything to add.

Have you got the 'Briefing Notes' card which used to be given out at Oulton training days? If not, let me know & I'll bring you a copy on Sunday - it's a good starting point, but I've made my own notes to make my briefings more personal.
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 13:08 (Ref:1554272)   #5
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did you say anything to chief marshall at the end of the day.
and what about your incident officer ?
i observe at brands, dont know of any one who is like that.
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 13:20 (Ref:1554283)   #6
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I hope the IO training at Oulton this year corrected the impression that one IO had - he thought that arms crossed above the head was the signal for a rescue unit.
Argued the toss with me and actually used this signal when we had a big incident!
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 15:14 (Ref:1555004)   #7
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What does IO's briefings have to do with an incomprehensible bollywood drama?

Maybe the two sometimes have more in common than they should do!
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 15:16 (Ref:1555006)   #8
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So what *does* it mean? 'Cause in some parts of North America that signal means "ambulance".

Used lower (across chest) it can mean "number sign" and will be followed either by a shrug for "what number was that car that spun off in a cloud of dust so I can tell Race Control" or a set of numbers for that car that spun off in a cloud of dust -- the first from the communicator to a flagger who may have had a better view, and the second from the flagger to the communicator. This is used in the east and midwest.

But on the west coast that same sign across chest means "halfway".

Could it just have been a "translation problem"? In which case the IO's briefing should have included the demonstration of signals he/she uses in the heat of battle which may or may not be standard to the area in which he/she is working. As a midwesterner who now works on the west coast I find I have to make an effort to "translate" my hand signals for the team at the start of each day's racing. It's very hard to remember to use the correct version when you're dealing with large or multiple incidents -- at that point 15 years of conditioning tends to supersede recent experience.

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Old 20 Mar 2006, 16:09 (Ref:1555036)   #9
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So what *does* it mean? 'Cause in some parts of North America that signal means "ambulance".
It means 'ambulance' here - unless it's a bike meeting, in which case it means 'red flag'.

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Could it just have been a "translation problem"? In which case the IO's briefing should have included the demonstration of signals he/she uses in the heat of battle which may or may not be standard to the area in which he/she is working.
Signals are pretty well standardised across the UK. I believe you use a lot more in the US than we do - we just use 'ambulance' (rarely), 'rescue unit', 'doctor', 'straight tow' & 'suspended tow'.
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Arms crossed above the head is the sign used for an Ambulance.

1 Arm held vertically is the sign for a Doctor

Both arms extended horizontally is the sign used to reqest the Rescue Unit.
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I always introduce myself, then look at how much experience everyone has. I then tailor what I say to the lowest level of experience. If I'm new to a circuit or post I ask if anyone has experience of where the bottles go, where the cars are likely to end up, etc. Then I pair up my crew, including asking if anyone has any preference who they partner up with (or don't want to go with). I also make sure everyone is aware of the rotation (which you can't assume is the same at every circuit).
Then I hand over to the observer for anything he/she wants to add.
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 16:46 (Ref:1555064)   #12
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did you say anything to chief marshall at the end of the day.
and what about your incident officer ?
i observe at brands, dont know of any one who is like that.
Maybe there talking about you!!!!


I think one of the most important things is to clarify arm signals and stress that That you look after yourself first
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 17:35 (Ref:1555106)   #13
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Other points to put in can include the weather (i.e. in hot weather keep the fluid intake up, sun block etc), point out that if any one feels ill to let I.O. / Observer know, confirm hand / whistle signals, ask if any one has done the post before, typical incidents at the post, where all the bottles are located, rotation (i.e. every two sessions etc). Point out any dangers such as uneven ground, narrow gaps behind the armco which could cause injuries.

I always like to have a separate chat with any trainees to gauge their experience. If its their first day I also talk through bottle checking with them.

As most people have said before, safety is paramount.

Lastly, finish with "any questions?"
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 17:53 (Ref:1555115)   #14
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Arms crossed above the head is the sign used for an Ambulance.

1 Arm held vertically is the sign for a Doctor

Both arms extended horizontally is the sign used to reqest the Rescue Unit.
Hand signals are GREAT - if used properly!

Most times, signal for a doctor - you're 99% certain to get a rescue unit (unless some doctors car is around). One signal instead of 3!

Also, the straight tow - two arms horizontal action, hands in fists, at WAIST level. Do it too high, and you'll get the Rescue Unit - tres embarrasing!
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Arms crossed above the head is the sign used for an Ambulance.

1 Arm held vertically is the sign for a Doctor

Both arms extended horizontally is the sign used to reqest the Rescue Unit.
May I ask -- in the UK -- what is the difference between Ambulance/Doctor/Recuse Unit... We (in Canada) use the "A" signal above the head for "Ambulance" -- which is always the quick response/rescue unit/paramedic.. One signal - one unit. Why do you make the distinction. We do have an "extrication" signal -- but you'd get the same truck & team attending.

Both arms horizontally is a tow required... hmmmmmm
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