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Still so much cool GT300 news to come too!
I've been asked loads over the last three days about Super GT coverage in 2016. No news on it all. GTA fully intends and expects that there will be English coverage (hence the Ronnie promo) as do I, as for details. Nothing yet. We may not know until after the pre season tests. |
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I really hope there will be. Loved my first season of Super GT
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Moving to a GT3-based setup should also actually lower the costs of competing in the top class, something which adopting DTM regs has failed to do. The cars should still be faster than LMP2 because of the open tyre development, and I imagine JAF will make sure the engines produce 600+hp (i.e. more than the Gibson 4L V8 will make).
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GT3's would be very fast if they were ran unrestricted and weighed a lot less. Turning them into pure racecars without the restricting bop could be done. But like what was said earlier in this thread, aligning with future GTE would be great. Maybe to differentiate from purely GTE, they could allow lower weight and some more aero freedom, plus their tire competition? Should be interesting to see. That LM connection is a big positive if they decide that route.
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About the Le Mans link, the ACO could still decide to deny any potential SGT entrant because reasons (all the interest has come from JAF, hardly anything has been reciprocated) so I wouldn't count on the doors flinging open with a move to GTE/3-esque cars. But it would remove the biggest obstacle to a competitive or guest entry, hopefully Andrew or Sam can ask Pierre Fillon to comment on this.
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I have a hard time fathoming the ACO denying a factory entry from Honda Nissan or Toyota. ELMS teams go to LM with their eligible cars, so as long as the car's meet the regs they should be good to go, right? But I guess it would be a problem if their (gt500) cars were running more aero, lighter weight or something. They'd definitely have to drop that. The tires are free, though. So it'd be cool to see how the Super GT tires do at LM.
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When the factories involved can already enter through LMP1 (as Toyota are demonstrating) or GTE then the ACO could point in those direction, as they would be the preferred routes. As long as there are at least as many factories in LMP1 as there are podium places there isn't a pressing need to entice more by any means necessary if they can be cajoled into playing by the ACO's rules. This could change if someone pulls out, but with the scaling down of the VAG efforts seemingly to ensure a long-term commitment that looks unlikely in the near future.
The Nissan debacle may also have put the ACO off allowing manufacturers-as-guests on the condition of fielding a "proper" effort later on, or just put them off factories in G56 at all. While I agree that it would be unlikely to see the ACO turn down a factory in any capacity, we've seen LMP2 gutted for the sake of Hugh's wallet so nothing is out of the question. The tyres would be the most fascinating part of a potential SGT entry and I would love to see a free choice carry over as well. |
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If the ACO really want to put GTE in LMP2 pace surely the weight must be near 1100 kg, they could allow more aero freedom and the power must be near 750 HP too. The LM connection would be fantastic. Corvette, Ford, Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, BMW (only in America), TVR (in the future) and now Honda, Lexus and Nissan. |
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I expect GT500 to keep its nature of a class for prototypes in disguise anyway, even with possibly GT3-based regulations, hence maintaining very low minimum weights, extreme aerodynamics and easy waivers for yet another HSV-010 or NSX CONCEPT-GT. They might even want to keep the current 2.0 turbo engines. Nothing like real GT3 cars. Unless JAF really want to settle for much less than what GT500 teams are running now, but considering how good it works, I'd rule it out. On the other hand, GT3 still is a true GT regulation, at least in spirit, even if it looks a bit out of control now. Pretty much the same for what concerns GTE. Anyway, in my opinion, if the Japanese have learned anything from the DTM chassis experience, is to think twice before accepting compromises in the name of their "challenge to the world". I don't think it was nice to be ignored the way DTM did and the same thing could happen with the ACO. |
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While going for a souped-up GT3-based cars for GT500 class, let's not forget about what happened to the 2012 FIA GT1 Championship.
Since GTE is becoming like GT1 in spirit, JAF/GTA should go to that route but with less weight and more aero. Wait, I remember that they want to reduce their reliance on aero. |
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BTT,there are 4-5 teams in GT300 active in various asian championships which are much possible to join the field after this change.Referring to JAF GT300 car there are 'G3' class for National GT3 vehicle (i.e. Maserati GranTurismo). Would like to see whether JAF cars match it in case it isn't an actual GT3 models. |
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If SGT ran at LM, my bet would be on everybody running on Michelins as has been the case on LMP1/GTs for years. The reason for it is simple: Dunlop, Yokohama and Bridgestone could have shown up at WEC any time, it has always been open and free, so why haven't they?! |
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You know, if Super GT held a 24-hour race like taking over the Tokachi 24 Hours, I bet that Dunlop, Yokohama, and Bridgestone would improve their tires' longevity when racing in longer stints. Yet, JAF/GTA didn't do such things previously! In any case, Dunlop is there to supply some teams in ELMS and WEC, while Bridgestone and Yokohama are planning to supply theirs in the future. |
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But if you lowered the weight and power on the GT500 closer to that of the P2, and I'd bet even the SGT tires would last close to the same length of stint as the P2 tires. |
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I have not checked out the latest issue Autosport magazine. (I'll buy it tomorrow)
There seems to be an article that Honda might remove hybrid system from NSX-GT500. |
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17 Jan 2016, 13:01 (Ref:3605638) | #270 | |
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Iwasaki company sells its GTR GT3 by Yahoo Auction.
http://page22.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/j...ion/l336150154 |
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There's a couple instances where teams have tried double stinting the tires in gt500 the past couple seasons. The Petronas team at Buriram comes to mind. These tires aren't made for that though. But I bet Bridgestone could make a tire that did. LM isn't tough on tires anyway with it's long straights.
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You all know LMP1s single stint tires at Fuji, right? There's no way they'd be able to double stint if they raced at Suzuka in the middle of August either.
40 minute stints? What do you think these are, F1 cars? Most of the races are 300km, which takes the better part of 110 minutes for these cars on one stop. Obviously they don't all stop at exactly halfway either. They would need to make a special Le Mans tire to optimize performance but that applies to every track really. They're certainly very capable of beating Michelin in Super GT. |
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Sure, more weight increases tire wear but that's because the load on the tires is bigger. LMP1 cars, albeit ~150kg lighter, very likely have more downforce(contrary to DTMs) than SGTs, so the total load is likely quite bigger. What is for sure is that LMP1 cars corner with much higher Gs on corners like Fuji's Coca Cola and 100R and that means much more energy through the tires and that's what most affect wear. LMP2 cars are relatively close to the LMP1's cornering performances, so don't count so surely on them being more gentle with their tires than GT500s LMGT cars are over 200kg heavier than GT500s but I still don't doubt that they are more kind on their tires than LMPs due to their much lower cornering speeds, G-forces. Quote:
In the begining of #1's first stint(first of the double, not first of the race), it was lapping on a best of 1.29.1 and it's last lap(of the double stint) was 1.30.8 The LM tires are capable of lasting over 700km, so SGT tires, capable of ~150km, are a far cry from that. You mention Suzuka, don't forget LMP1 cars(at least Audi) constantly double stints(300km) on Silverstone and Spa and, even though it's on cold weather, these tracks features lot's of fast corners(F1, in Silverstone 2013, with it's tires exploding fest is a good show of that) Finally, Bridgestone offers their tyres for free on GT500 and the few teams running on Dunlops/Yokohama only do so because they are paid by those tire companies. There is no ridiculous, gimmicky WH on WEC, so inferior tyres won't be able to have their glory run when the Michelin/Bridgestone cars are all handicapped, as happens on SGT. Have any car ever won any championship on GT500 with a tire that isn't Bridgestone and Michelin? AFAIR, in the last 5 years, a Michelin car won the tittle 4 times and the other one was by Bridgestone. And the fight is always between them, isn't it? When you look into the tire companies capabilities, through R&D, Bridgestone and Michelin invests double of the third one(GoodYear) and 3 times more than the likes of Conti, Pirelli, Hankook, Sumitomo, Yokohama I really hope Bridgestone would spice up the fight on WEC and that's the only manufacturer on the same tier of Michelin, so, I personally doubt any other will ever take up the fight(well, maybe GoodYear, through Dunlop, could be bold enough. I would like that ) Sorry for the very long post |
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