Holden Brand Gone!!!

[Matt K]

I think it's unlikely to see any of them entering at the moment...

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Matt K

I think it's unlikely to see any of them entering at the moment...

The chances of any manufacturer wanting to enter under the present rules are somewhere between zero and nought. If anyone thinks otherwise then pleasant dreams because that is all it is, a dream. The reality is it has no future commercially and once Archer get out who has the capital to support it? Forget the cars and media rights does anyone think there are buyers lined up to buy it because Archer could not flog it when things were much better.

[fomoco]

this is interesting,

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...t-gmsv-124805/

[Casper]

Originally Posted by fomoco

this is interesting,

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...t-gmsv-124805/

It's got nothing to do with racing Super Cars.

[crmalcolm]

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by Casper

It's got nothing to do with racing Super Cars.

and these posts do


Armco Bender Local Holden dealer has changed brands to Hyundai just saying.


V8 Fireworks Hyundai are making the cars people want, and Holden not (or any at all for that matter).

[Casper]

Why didn't you say something if you thought those posts were off topic?

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by fomoco

this is interesting,

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...t-gmsv-124805/

"LNP Senator James McGrath last month offered to buy Holden from GM for $1, while yesterday Queensland independent MP Bob Katter dressed as the Grim Reaper as a parade of classic Holdens drove past parliament house in Canberra.

His protest came shortly before he introduced a motion calling for support for a revitalised car manufacturing industry with a majority Australian shareholding and to ensure that all cars bought by the federal government are locally made."

Could a combination of these two items be the saviour for Holden?

The Australian Government exerting pressure on General Motors to hand over the Holden trademarks in exchange for easing up on these legal actions, and then the Government going ahead with setting up a (probably electric) national motor vehicle manufacturer with the name "Holden" operating out of the Fisherman's Bend and Elizabeth facilities?

[rich07]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

"LNP Senator James McGrath last month offered to buy Holden from GM for $1, while yesterday Queensland independent MP Bob Katter dressed as the Grim Reaper as a parade of classic Holdens drove past parliament house in Canberra.

His protest came shortly before he introduced a motion calling for support for a revitalised car manufacturing industry with a majority Australian shareholding and to ensure that all cars bought by the federal government are locally made."

Could a combination of these two items be the saviour for Holden?

The Australian Government exerting pressure on General Motors to hand over the Holden trademarks in exchange for easing up on these legal actions, and then the Government going ahead with setting up a (probably electric) national motor vehicle manufacturer with the name "Holden" operating out of the Fisherman's Bend and Elizabeth facilities?

Lol. Can’t take that seriously. Just another couple of pollies trying to get some media attention for themselves. Realistically if Holden could be made economically viable whilst still making cars then someone more credible then these two jokers would’ve done something.


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[gravin]

Originally Posted by rich07

Lol. Can’t take that seriously. Just another couple of pollies trying to get some media attention for themselves. Realistically if Holden could be made economically viable whilst still making cars then someone more credible then these two jokers would’ve done something.


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Ignoring the individuals concerned - consider a broader initiative.

Do government enterprises need to be economically viable?
Particularly if the need is to reestablish a manufacturing base in light of recent events to safe guard in the event of trade restrictions.

[benny41]

Originally Posted by gravin

Ignoring the individuals concerned - consider a broader initiative.

Do government enterprises need to be economically viable?
Particularly if the need is to reestablish a manufacturing base in light of recent events to safe guard in the event of trade restrictions.

As a holden fan i would love the romantic notion that it could be done but it would be foolish to think that a goverment owned car company would be able to compete with the global car companies. Remember you would have to start the whole thing from scratch

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

"LNP Senator James McGrath last month offered to buy Holden from GM for $1, while yesterday Queensland independent MP Bob Katter dressed as the Grim Reaper as a parade of classic Holdens drove past parliament house in Canberra.

His protest came shortly before he introduced a motion calling for support for a revitalised car manufacturing industry with a majority Australian shareholding and to ensure that all cars bought by the federal government are locally made."

Could a combination of these two items be the saviour for Holden?

The Australian Government exerting pressure on General Motors to hand over the Holden trademarks in exchange for easing up on these legal actions, and then the Government going ahead with setting up a (probably electric) national motor vehicle manufacturer with the name "Holden" operating out of the Fisherman's Bend and Elizabeth facilities?

Whilst that sounds a good idea, there is not much left at Fishermans bend , and I thought Elizabeth plant was sold

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by benny41

As a holden fan i would love the romantic notion that it could be done but it would be foolish to think that a goverment owned car company would be able to compete with the global car companies. Remember you would have to start the whole thing from scratch

Maybe Vinfast , could buy the Holden name, do a deal with Fed Govt to build cars in Australia under the Holden Badge

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[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by gravin

Ignoring the individuals concerned - consider a broader initiative.

Do government enterprises need to be economically viable?
Particularly if the need is to reestablish a manufacturing base in light of recent events to safe guard in the event of trade restrictions.

No they don't...its only in the last couple of decades the gummint bean counters dreamed up the idea that business units should be run at a profit...meanwhile, billions are flushed down the gutter on dubious welfare programs...Australia started car "production" by importing chassis or cab chassis and re-bodying same...

Why not invite a large company to set up a world car plant here with contractual obligations to use Australian content (like we used to do!)...who cares if it is government sponsored? We need to get back to self-sufficiency...

[Armco Bender]

Why not just assemble new cars from and an overseas manufacturer?.
As soon as the Government gets involved the product is usually crap.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Why not just assemble new cars from and an overseas manufacturer?.
As soon as the Government gets involved the product is usually crap.

They didn't need the government to make crap cars but they might have done a better job at crap with their help. The proof of this is that they are no longer made.

[bludvl_x19]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Why not just assemble new cars from and an overseas manufacturer?.
As soon as the Government gets involved the product is usually crap.

Taking the BMW manufacturing from South Africa might be a good way to go. Offer a much more stable political environment, and a similar climate.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by bludvl_x19

Taking the BMW manufacturing from South Africa might be a good way to go. Offer a much more stable political environment, and a similar climate.

But the reason SA has it and we don't is minimum wages, business taxes, government subsidies and unions.

Somehow people are OK with subsidising mining companies to the tune of billions, who in turn pay no tax and hardly employ people.

Yet a, couple or hundred million to keep 3 manufacturers going, 2 of them exporting, and people lose their ****ing minds.

Between 100k and 200k jobs lost. Good legacy Tony Abbott.

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[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Yet a, couple or hundred million to keep 3 manufacturers going, 2 of them exporting, and people lose their ****ing minds.

It's not that simple Mixer.

Ford Australia were building two orphan cars: Ford Falcon unrelated to the Ford Taurus, Ford Territrory unrelated to the Ford Edge -- it's stupid to design unrelated models that do the same job.

Holden Australia were building one orphan car: Holden Commodore unrelated to the Chevrolet Impala -- it's stupid to design unrelated models that do the same job.

Toyota were the only company doing it properly and building a world car, but then most Toyota Camry Hybrid buyers are now just as happy with that prestigious label "Made in Japan" rather than the former "Made in Australia"...

It has been consistently said that Ford Australia and General Motors Holden simply DID NOT have enough leverage and influence in Detroit to get Ford and General Motors respectively to dump the Taurus/Edge and Impala/Traverse, and get them to focus on the Falcon & Territory and Commodore & as-yet-non-existent-Commodore-SUV as their global midsize (by US standards) sedan and midsize SUV.

[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by Mixer

But the reason SA has it and we don't is minimum wages, business taxes, government subsidies and unions.

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You don't remember the Button Plan that started our slow slide to oblivion?

SA has been favoured/stacked by various Govts (mainly Labor) for yonks...billions poured into it to try and keep some sort of industrial capability going despite the hinderance for the Unions...don't get me started on Submarines!

I was involved in a project building a run of 300 vehicles out of Adelaide ...successfully...amazingly!!

[Casper]

Or John Howard who famously said we did not need to a manufacturing nation just a smart nation and then encourage miners to export huge bits of Australia in the same breath without secondary treatment such as turning it into steel here. Count the number of manufacturers or CKD operations that used to be in Oz, not a complete list I am sure but these are some

Holden
Ford
Chrysler/Mitsubishi
Toyota
Nissan
Renault
Volkswagen since returned
AMI with multiple brands
Leyland/BMC

And that does not include trucks, plant equipment etc.

[mite5255]

Originally Posted by Casper

Or John Howard who famously said we did not need to a manufacturing nation just a smart nation and then encourage miners to export huge bits of Australia in the same breath without secondary treatment such as turning it into steel here. Count the number of manufacturers or CKD operations that used to be in Oz, not a complete list I am sure but these are some

Holden
Ford
Chrysler/Mitsubishi
Toyota
Nissan
Renault
Volkswagen since returned
AMI with multiple brands
Leyland/BMC

And that does not include trucks, plant equipment etc.

Casper, can you tell me when JH made that comment, or can you send me a link to it please

[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by Casper

Or John Howard who famously said we did not need to a manufacturing nation just a smart nation and then encourage miners to export huge bits of Australia in the same breath without secondary treatment such as turning it into steel here. Count the number of manufacturers or CKD operations that used to be in Oz, not a complete list I am sure but these are some

Holden
Ford
Chrysler/Mitsubishi
Toyota
Nissan
Renault
Volkswagen since returned
AMI with multiple brands
Leyland/BMC

And that does not include trucks, plant equipment etc.

Brilliant! and your point is? All these brands where expensive to produce in the last couple of decades where Unions ran wild...

[Casper]

Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

Brilliant! and your point is? All these brands where expensive to produce in the last couple of decades where Unions ran wild...

Unions are the biggest target, better that than blaming companies for inept management. Leyland (JRA) failed because the government introduced a luxury car tax just after the management buy out occured and sales simply stopped dead. That was a brilliant move. I see you have a balanced view, a chip on both shoulders.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Casper

Unions are the biggest target, better that than blaming companies for inept management. Leyland (JRA) failed because the government introduced a luxury car tax just after the management buy out occured and sales simply stopped dead. That was a brilliant move. I see you have a balanced view, a chip on both shoulders.

JRA failed because the cars they made were utter shite

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