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8 Jan 2020, 02:57 (Ref:3950305) | #101 | ||
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OMG the comments on Fb about the second round of testing are a dumpster fire and prove that the Ford fans can't be happy either way.
Last year they fluffed the test and played catch up all year. Cue whinging. Clearly this year they are keen to avoid a recurrence and have a lot of new data, so they are going back for a second test, which is surely the right thing to do. The sport desperately needs to not repeat what happened last year, but it is apparently a conspiracy and all Roland's fault.... |
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I stopped reading after 'Fb'. It's a cesspit for anything other than voices in echo chambers.
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TCR uses a wind tunnel for aerodynamuc testing, and that's for over a dozen different models.
"The homologation process [of the MG6 TCR] included engine tests on the dynamometer bench at ORAL Engineering and aerodynamics tests in the Pininfarina wind tunnel" https://www.tcr-series.com/news/item...on-formalities Why Supercars are unable to do it for just two models defies belief! |
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23 Jan 2020, 12:21 (Ref:3952911) | #104 | ||
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How curious. One hopes the VCAT testing has been done correctly, and Mustang runners will not be at an unjust disadvantage... |
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23 Jan 2020, 20:27 (Ref:3953000) | #105 | |
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I can’t see how a car that dominated the last 1/3 of the season can remain relatively untouched and achieve 12% reduction in downforce by a wing angle limitation.
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24 Jan 2020, 01:03 (Ref:3953033) | #106 | |
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That's supercars for you, why would any other manufacturers join this circus when they keep peddling out this nonsense.
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24 Jan 2020, 01:46 (Ref:3953037) | #107 | |
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I don't see the big deal.
The category independently of the homologation teams, are doing their own thing with the aero this time around, to achieve parity. Not just for Triple Eight, and DJRTP, but for all the teams. Even the ones down the back going broke. |
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24 Jan 2020, 05:41 (Ref:3953055) | #110 | |
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It is interesting that the process used has repeatedly required fine tuning during the season, so it repeatedly gets it wrong and it is still used, is that like banging your head against a brick wall and you can't understand why you get a headache?
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Happened "repeatedly" in 2019 but not a great deal before that. Process has been significantly updated and improved with new methods introduced for this round of testing.
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24 Jan 2020, 07:46 (Ref:3953070) | #115 | ||
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2019: flawed and outdated process allows Penske to ream the championship. People complain when it is actually adjusted back to some form of equality
2020: a much more detailed and careful process is undertaken and errors are picked up. PENSKE IS PART OF THE PROCESS People complain. Really what do you want? |
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Ah, by the information released in detail about the upgrading and improvement of the process by supercars and commented on by various observers as an improved process.
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They very quickly realised something had to be done. Numerous stop-gap measures were put in place over 2019, and now this year, they've gone to great length to ensure it won't happen again. Rules, or lackthereof, were exploited, and now the loopholes have closed. It's just whinging for the sake of whinging. |
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The explanation of McLaughlin being the best driver by some margin is FAR more plausible, especially considering he already won the championship using an FGX that was at a considerable disadvantage to the ZB Commodore going by Supercar's own numbers (with further enhanced ZB now needing a 12% reduction to be brought back to FGX levels). |
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Once Holdsworth was free from the going-nowhere Team 18, his potential was realised. And when Team 18 correspondingly sucked Frosty into it's void, he went from somewhere to nowhere. The truth is, however, the Mustang was ultimately and unfairly penalised last year, simply due to Scotty's freakish talent. No other Mustangs were able to really get near him, not even his own teammate in an identical car. |
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Call me sceptical, running a car down an airstrip does not sound like a very definitive test to me. How can they duplicate conditions closely enough is one of life's little mysteries, even the air temp and barometric pressure would induce bad reporting let alone anything else like tight or loose wheel bearings, rising tyre pressures and even with nitrogen they do vary, how well the car was polished and most probably a hundred other things as well. They should run them off the top of Conrod in neutral and see how far they roll out, far quicker and just as accurate?
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I wonder if these Supercars snoozers know this place exists: https://www.monash.edu/engineering/o...unnel-facility
50 m/s = 180 km/h VCAT currently defines the figure at 200 km/h I understand, so only a small adjustment needs to be made to equate it to match the tunnel vmax Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I wonder if these snoozers know this place with a little 1.4MW fan and a turntable exists:
https://www.monash.edu/engineering/o...unnel-facility 50 m/s = 180 km/h Understand that VCAT is 350kg @ 200km/h, I am sure the boffins could adjust for the slight discrepancy in vmax Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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