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Old 4 Sep 2018, 18:00 (Ref:3848193)   #8576
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Fastest lap was a 52 flat or 52.1 for this Porsche at Brands Indy.
The lap record is 38.032 seconds, held by Scott Mansell, no relation to our Nige.
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Old 4 Sep 2018, 18:34 (Ref:3848196)   #8577
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The lap record is 38.032 seconds, held by Scott Mansell, no relation to our Nige.
Whoops, I was thinking of the wrong track and car! Brands Hatch said there was an unofficial lap time of 38.114! The fastest lap ever there was Paul Tracy's pole lap in 2003 of 37.006 seconds. I assume that was champcar.
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Old 4 Sep 2018, 19:00 (Ref:3848199)   #8578
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Whoops, I was thinking of the wrong track and car! Brands Hatch said there was an unofficial lap time of 38.114! The fastest lap ever there was Paul Tracy's pole lap in 2003 of 37.006 seconds. I assume that was champcar.
It is the right track, the Indy track. That was Champ Car and I was there! Cart/Champ Car/IndyCar classify qualifying lap times as official lap times. However, in this case they followed Brands Hatch's definition. I think the lap record for the GP circuit is held by Nigel Mansell, who is no relation to Scott Mansell.

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Surely, as the Porsche was not in a race it has to be compared to all laps, even if it is qualifying.
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Old 5 Sep 2018, 02:34 (Ref:3848260)   #8580
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It is the right track, the Indy track. That was Champ Car and I was there! Cart/Champ Car/IndyCar classify qualifying lap times as official lap times. However, in this case they followed Brands Hatch's definition. I think the lap record for the GP circuit is held by Nigel Mansell, who is no relation to Scott Mansell.
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Old 5 Sep 2018, 07:59 (Ref:3848280)   #8581
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But of course the circuit has changed since Mansell last raced there
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Old 5 Sep 2018, 10:01 (Ref:3848292)   #8582
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But of course the circuit has changed since Mansell last raced there
That it has and you can see the changes here.

http://racingcircuits.info/europe/un...l#.W4-o_riWki4
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Old 5 Sep 2018, 18:29 (Ref:3848361)   #8583
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Old 5 Sep 2018, 19:28 (Ref:3848369)   #8584
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Nice link!
My only criticism is the lack of track/lap records, otherwise it's very informative.
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Came across this (quite by accident), the monster monstering Brands:

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Old 25 Sep 2018, 12:40 (Ref:3852603)   #8586
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Huh, I had no idea how much of the track you'd be able to see from one position!
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Huh, I had no idea how much of the track you'd be able to see from one position!
That was the great thing about Brands.
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"Bamber Nearly Breaks Laguna Track Record in 919 Hybrid Evo"

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And with that mental gymnastics Dagys means it was less two seconds slower than Marc Gene's unofficial record in a 2003 F1 car.
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"Bamber Nearly Breaks Laguna Track Record in 919 Hybrid Evo"

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And with that mental gymnastics Dagys means it was less two seconds slower than Marc Gene's unofficial record in a 2003 F1 car.
There's no gymnastics about it, the official track record is Castroneves with a 1:07.722 in an Indy car. The Gene time, like his time at Road Atlanta this spring, is unofficial as the 919 time would be. It's not that hard to understand
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He's edited that article. The original sub-headline said "nearly smashes", now it says "nearly eclipses". Did have a chuckle at that.

It's a bit weird the way it's written. It did a 1:07, but no further details on the time than that. The record is a 1:07.7, so it could've beaten the official one? Albeit unofficially? Duno, just weird.
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There's no gymnastics about it, the official track record is Castroneves with a 1:07.722 in an Indy car. The Gene time, like his time at Road Atlanta this spring, is unofficial as the 919 time would be. It's not that hard to understand
I'm not confused, but this "nearly breaks/smashes/eclipses" is like saying you nearly win in the lottery every weekend by getting half of the numbers right.
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He's edited that article. The original sub-headline said "nearly smashes", now it says "nearly eclipses". Did have a chuckle at that.

It's a bit weird the way it's written. It did a 1:07, but no further details on the time than that. The record is a 1:07.7, so it could've beaten the official one? Albeit unofficially? Duno, just weird.
The unofficial record is held by by Marc Gené, who did a lap of 1'05.786 in an F1 Ferrari F2003-GA on May 19, during the 2012 Ferrari Racing Days. Official lap records can only be set in race conditions, either in practice, qualifying, or during a race.
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The unofficial record is held by by Marc Gené, who did a lap of 1'05.786 in an F1 Ferrari F2003-GA on May 19, during the 2012 Ferrari Racing Days. Official lap records can only be set in race conditions, either in practice, qualifying, or during a race.
Yeah, I get that. It's just from that article I had to try and work out what lap record it "nearly smashed", and even then it didn't give me an accurate enough time. Just could be a bit clearer.

Surprised they didn't go for it. Car was already there.
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Yeah, I get that. It's just from that article I had to try and work out what lap record it "nearly smashed", and even then it didn't give me an accurate enough time. Just could be a bit clearer.

Surprised they didn't go for it. Car was already there.
I'm guessing there's some weird insurance restriction on either the weekend or the track that limits what Porsche can do or it is willing to pay for. Plus it's just Laguna, Nurburgring I can fully understand, and think Porsche would pay whatever to run it, and Spa was likely easy to rent, Grade 1 track with all the safety and support staff that entails, has history most people will recognize, and probably the closet they could get to F1 times. I think we all would appreciate it only running for lap records at every track, most would prefer in race meeting lap records over empty tracks I would think though.
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The car is there but its fancy schmancy custom one lap tires aren't. Funnily enough if you put it on normal tires the lap times are pretty normal.
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The car is there but its fancy schmancy custom one lap tires aren't. Funnily enough if you put it on normal tires the lap times are pretty normal.
9 seconds faster than dpi's pole is normal? They weren't even pushing the car and they confirmed that they would not go for a lap record.
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It should be 5 seconds or so faster. DPis are currently balanced to LMP2s, and LMP1s tend to be about 6-7 seconds faster on longer circuits.
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It should be 5 seconds or so faster. DPis are currently balanced to LMP2s, and LMP1s tend to be about 6-7 seconds faster on longer circuits.
I think the best lmp lap times there are from the lmp2 Acura/Porsche Spyder vs Audi R10 days. Iirc the pole lap in 2008 was the best lap there ever for an lmp car. The Acura was able to do a 1:10.1xx. I'm sure the exact time is on the internet somewhere but I remember that clearly since it dusted the heavier Audi. This Porsche would easily eclipse that time by some margin. Oh well, we're left with what-if's unless they bring it back.
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9 seconds faster than dpi's pole is normal?
It's within the range of actual active race cars in the last 15 years, yes. Doesn't become much of an example of what's possible without car regulations at that point, just what's possible with free choice of tires.
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