[Official] Bahrain Grand Prix 2019: Grand Prix Weekend Thread - Round 2 of 21

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Well it worked for Hamilton

Everyone in F1 at the time knew Mercedes were way ahead of everyone else with development of the hybrid power units.All they needed to do was show Lewis their plan for making ultimate performance of that power plant exclusive to the works team -mainly by exclusive use of the Petronas product the unit was designed around- and his decision was a no brainer.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Born Racer

It was 2007 and it could well happen, the difference perhaps being that Ferrari would move to using team orders to support the lead driver, perhaps a reason for Sebastian to get upset.

That's it: Vettel to Renault.

Tried that this weekend!

Charles ignored them

http://www.f1reader.com/news/charles...-vettel-220501

[Anyopenroad]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

couple of questions about the late SC...

would you have preferred a restart?

would Charlie have taken a different action?

No and no. Ricciardo’s car was not safe to touch. Needed specialist team which could not be there in the short time available. And it wasn’t far enough off the track to be left there.

[TrapezeArtist]

Originally Posted by Born Racer

I feel like I should have started a thread about Leclerc being given number 1 status for the rest of the season, but April Fools' Day is only April Fools' Morning here.

What makes you think it won't happen? As I recall, Mario Spaghetti said they would be putting their main effort behind Vettel but I don''t think he said Vettel had a No1 contract.
Race 1: Leclerc told to stay behind Vettel.
Race 2: Leclerc "allowed" to overtake Vettel.
Perhaps the Ferrari management have realised already that Leclerc is their best chance of winning the championship and are changing policy accordingly. I think that might prove to be a wise move, though it may cause a few sulks in one side of the garage.

[ApexTurtle]

So far it's just 1-1 in qualifying and the race, Ferrari have no reason to enact any sort of policy.

[F1Pete]

[QUOTE=TrapezeArtist;3894800]What makes you think it won't happen? As I recall, Mario Spaghetti said they would be putting their main effort behind Vettel but I don''t think he said Vettel had a No1 contract.

Race 1: Leclerc told to stay behind Vettel.

Race 2: Leclerc "allowed" to overtake Vettel.


Hmmm...did Ferrari actually "allow" Chuckie to overtake Vettel in Race 2? Ferrari told him to hang on for a couple of laps. Instead, he waited a couple of corners and passed Vettel defying team instructions.

The team is now off the hook answering to Vettel because his team mate ignored instructions. Leclerc made the decision himself absolving Spaghetti from getting the finger from Vettel.

Ferrari will find it easy when it comes to making a decision on who to support for the championship race....because they won't have to decide. Leclerc and his driving will do it for them.

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[bjohnsonsmith]

[QUOTE=F1Pete;3894846]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

What makes you think it won't happen? As I recall, Mario Spaghetti said they would be putting their main effort behind Vettel but I don''t think he said Vettel had a No1 contract.

Race 1: Leclerc told to stay behind Vettel.

Race 2: Leclerc "allowed" to overtake Vettel.


Hmmm...did Ferrari actually "allow" Chuckie to overtake Vettel in Race 2? Ferrari told him to hang on for a couple of laps. Instead, he waited a couple of corners and passed Vettel defying team instructions.

The team is now off the hook answering to Vettel because his team mate ignored instructions. Leclerc made the decision himself absolving Spaghetti from getting the finger from Vettel.

Ferrari will find it easy when it comes to making a decision on who to support for the championship race....because they won't have to decide. Leclerc and his driving will do it for them.

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So it's Chuckie now.

[ApexTurtle]

Originally Posted by F1Pete

Ferrari will find it easy when it comes to making a decision on who to support for the championship race....because they won't have to decide. Leclerc and his driving will do it for them.

Very premature, especially considering Leclerc's opening weekend was very poor. It's a bit like Bottas, one weekend where he does everything right and one where it's just a whole lot of 'meh'.

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

I recall, Mario Spaghetti said

Who is Mario Spaghetti?

Richard

[F1Pete]

I think he is referring to Andretti.

I was referring to Binotto because he said the same thing pre-season.

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[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by F1Pete

I think he is referring to Andretti.

I was referring to Binotto because he said the same thing pre-season.

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Mario Andretti? What has he got to do with how Ferrari manage their drivers?

[Richard C]

I am assuming it was Mattia Binotto given the context of the discussion. But who knows. That is one problem with doing that (confusion). I have no clue why it might have been Mario Andretti.

I have to admit... derogatory nicknames are a peeve of mine. I know they exists in a competitive environment. Especially when talking smack. Something like "finger boy" might be deserved given Vettel's penchant for his favorite salute. He might even wear that with pride if he has a sense of humor. But I am not sure what Mattia has done to deserve that specific moniker other than to exist and be Italian.

I am not advocating for political correctness here. But I will say that posting style can undermine the value of a message. Apologies in advance if that feedback is not welcome.

Richard

[F1Pete]

Other's humour may be other's peeves I guess.

Bottom line, I prefer Binotto over Arrivabene from what I see so far.

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[Richard C]

Originally Posted by F1Pete

Other's humour may be other's peeves I guess.

Yes. And I am not saying the world should play by my rules.

Originally Posted by F1Pete

Bottom line, I prefer Binotto over Arrivabene from what I see so far.

From a bit of an interview at the end of this race I would agree.

Random thought just popped into my head when talking about Arrivabene. Not sure where to ask this question...

Is Stefania Bocchi (Arrivabene's wife and Kimi's press officer while at Ferrari) still with Ferrari? And what is Arrivabene doing now? Gardening leave inside Ferrari?

Richard

[S griffin]

We’ll see how well Binotto does over the season. It’s early days yet, we haven’t got into the title fight yet

[djinvicta]

Yes..It took me ages a few years ago with various names for drivers. Why should Perez be Checo? As for Kimis Press Officer. Bocchi.. she can come and live with me..open door...

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by ApexTurtle

Very premature, especially considering Leclerc's opening weekend was very poor. It's a bit like Bottas, one weekend where he does everything right and one where it's just a whole lot of 'meh'.

Leclerc's opening weekend was poor?!
Can you elaborate?
In Leclerc's first two races with Ferrari he has been told not to overtake Vettel and just bring it home. Then in the second, he had blown Vettel and everyone else away umtil his car broke.

[bjohnsonsmith]

While TrapezeArtist maintains radio silence, regarding Mario Spaghetti, isn't Bocchi the computer language spoken by C3P0 and moisture evaporators, in Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope?

[Kempi]

Originally Posted by S griffin

We’ll see how well Binotto does over the season. It’s early days yet, we haven’t got into the title fight yet

I am afraid the fight might be over already. One more weekend like this and kiss the WCC good bye.

[ApexTurtle]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Leclerc's opening weekend was poor?!
Can you elaborate?

Allow me! He gets beaten by a Red Bull in qualifying which was unnecessary, 3 tenths back from his teammate. He has a decent start but botches it by diving too deep and coming out of the first corner behind Verstappen. In the first stint his pace is slower than the top 4 and he has an off track excursion that costs him even more time, and he's very lucky not to damage anything. When Vettel and Hamilton pit and Verstappen and Bottas run longer, so does Leclerc but his pace is slower than both in front. After the pitstop his pace is decent enough but at that point it would be unfair to let him overtake Vettel who has a problem.

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by S griffin

We’ll see how well Binotto does over the season. It’s early days yet, we haven’t got into the title fight yet

I don’t see how it is possible to be both team principal and chief technical officer and do a proper job on either.It is like Christian Horner and Adrian Newey being one person.Cracks may start to appear.Hope I am wrong after Leclerc’s mighty drive last weekend.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Alan52

I don’t see how it is possible to be both team principal and chief technical officer and do a proper job on either.It is like Christian Horner and Adrian Newey being one person.Cracks may start to appear.Hope I am wrong after Leclerc’s mighty drive last weekend.

I think that you can make the technical director the team principle, but then you need to have somebody to handle the functions that Arrivabene was handling, press, sponsor smoozing etc. , however he would obviously not have the final authority which would be vested in Binotto.

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by ApexTurtle

Allow me! He gets beaten by a Red Bull in qualifying which was unnecessary, 3 tenths back from his teammate. He has a decent start but botches it by diving too deep and coming out of the first corner behind Verstappen. In the first stint his pace is slower than the top 4 and he has an off track excursion that costs him even more time, and he's very lucky not to damage anything. When Vettel and Hamilton pit and Verstappen and Bottas run longer, so does Leclerc but his pace is slower than both in front. After the pitstop his pace is decent enough but at that point it would be unfair to let him overtake Vettel who has a problem.

Well that’s definitely one way of looking at it...

[S griffin]

At least his mistake in Melbourne didn't force him into the pits. I really think Leclerc has shown himself to be the real deal. Anyway we can forgive his mistakes due to it being his second season

[ApexTurtle]

Originally Posted by Skam85

Well that’s definitely one way of looking at it...

Is there anything I said that is untrue? What is your way of looking at it then?