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A frames are also illegal in Spain, and quite a few motorhomers who take a small car behind them have found this out the hard way. Stopped, fined, and not allowed to continue without unhitching and driving both vehicles.
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Interesting, please correct me if I’ve got this wrong, but it appears that a car being towed on an A-frame is classed as a trailer, so has to conform to the regulations on brakes, as well as lighting etc.? Seems a few countries have decided to simply ban them completely, while others are hesitating / ignoring.....
Suggestion is that if the ‘trailer’ weight is below 750kg all up then it doesn’t have to have brakes, same as a normal trailer. I think that justifies early Smart cars and French quadricycles only! I’ve seen more than one Jeep Cherokee being towed on an A-frame, admittedly usually behind an American RV , and the RV rental people usually tow their van behind when delivering, so that the driver can return to base. BTW the ‘dolly’ used by recovery people is only legal for just that- emergency recovery. And a new way of transporting your race car is being trialled in the UK..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wal...in-aberystwyth Last edited by Mike Bell; 31 Aug 2019 at 05:43. |
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There are mechanisms to enable the towed vehicle/trailer's brakes to be activated when being towed on an A-frame - although I admit I've never used them, and have some doubts about their effectiveness. Generally speaking in this country the "turn a blind eye" approach has been taken, although many years ago when driving a 7.5 tonne MAN recovery truck with a car on the bed and another on the A-frame a motorway cop did stop me (on the pretext that something was dangling below my "trailer") and then point out that the trailer was unbraked. I didn't argue of course, but merely suggested that as the truck was braked for a train weight of 8.25 tonne and the total all-up weight was probably less than about 6 tonne I had adequate capacity.....he wandered off saying he was only commenting.....
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I may have missed something but as I understand it, it doesn't apply to trailers traveling around the UK, so yes, if you are trailering in Europe for business; and, your trailer weighs more than 3500Kg unladen, you'll need it, but only to comply with local EU state requirements.
Here it is. It is specifically for vehicles traveling to Europe and/or other destinations. Will have to look at the supervening Act because this is supplementary. And it confirms that "A full impact assessment has not been produced for this instrument as no, or no significant, impact on the private, voluntary or public sectors is foreseen". Last edited by Peter Mallett; 2 Sep 2019 at 11:10. |
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Yes, required when in EU only.....
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Peter is correct in that this is not an EU piece of legislation, and I was obviously wrong as I didn't bother to look it up. The "convention" was a product of the United Nations, and actually dates back to 1968, coming in to effect in 1988.
However, although the UK was a signatory to the convention, the UK did not ratify (i.e. place it on the statute book) but it did incorporate most of the convention. But, one part of the convention that it did not incorporate was the requirement for trailer registration. Therefore, as much of the EU has ratified the convention, the government decided to ratify the convention to bring the UK's legislation in line with many other EU countries. |
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