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Old 4 Feb 2013, 21:42 (Ref:3199315)   #1
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ICS Historic Racing Saloon Car Championship

I remember some great races when the ICS saloons visited Knockhill
during the 1990s, when they accompanied The British Touring Car Championship. Looking through some old programmes, I see races took place from 1993 to 1997 inclusive - sample attached.
I am interested to know :

In what year did the ICS Championship begin?
When did it end?
Why did it end?
Were cars which entered exclusive to that championshp, or did
they compete in other events?
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Old 5 Feb 2013, 07:41 (Ref:3199461)   #2
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It actually began in 1992 but joined the BTCC in 1993, I believe it did finish in 1997 before turning into various championships finishing up as "Classic Thunder"
By this time as the cut off point was altered allowing newer faster cars in most left and used their cars in other races that they were allowed in.
I did every race in the championships until 2001 and actually won the "Classic Thunder" in that year.
By this time the writing was on the wall for these older cars that were built exploiting all the "grey area's" that they could at the time.
It was a busy schedule in the Toca package as it would take three days at the circuits most of the time and there was no way that I could have done it without backing from my sponsors.
As I was a glutton for punishment I also used to do some "winter warmer" races at Brands and Snetterton with a fair amount of success with the same car in the "off seasons".
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I can remember watching this championship on a few occasions. I was at Brands when Roly Nix put his Camaro on its roof at Graham Hill.
The ground actually did shake!!!
Great series with some lovely cars
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Old 5 Feb 2013, 08:03 (Ref:3199470)   #4
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yes this is true!

When's someone going to start a thread about the Atlantic computers Historic GT series or similar, as that was the best part of 25 years ago that would also count as Historic racing becoming historic!

The ICS series was pretty good Pete Hall ran a Mustang to start with there was some lovely Anglias and Minis and I remember a great big metal coloured rare Chevrolet model of some description that John Young drove for a while? Not a Camaro, but something else....

Then, later on, Camaro's took over and that was the end of that really I thought?
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I remember a great big metal coloured rare Chevrolet model of some description that John Young drove for a while? Not a Camaro, but something else....
It was a Malibu that was sold on to D Tweeks, I think they still have it !
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It was a Malibu that was sold on to D Tweeks, I think they still have it !
I expect Jason will let us know
Yes that's the one! It looked like it hadn't been finished!!!!
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Just to add a bit to Gordon's post, particularly the early days of ICS Historic Saloons. Pete Hall first raced with HRSR Historic Saloons in his Mustang in 1991 and his ICS company sponsored the 1992 championship with Pete winning the overall title. It was close as one Gordon Streeter tied on total points but lost out on dropped scores. ICS sponsored the HRSR championship again in 1993 and Pete Hall was overall champion again.
The decision by ICS (co-ordinated by Stuart McCrudden) to become part of the BTCC package made the racing too expensive (both in terms of cost and time) for the average HRSR member and ICS went it's own way with HRSR struggling for a couple of years before becoming part of the HSCC family.

The Malibu was a great car and made it's debut with HRSR in 1989, built by Steve Warrior and driven by John Young. However, it was far too heavily developed during it's ICS years and was hardly a 'Malibu' by the end, albeit intersting as it was a different shape from the usual Mustangs and Camaros and usually driven in an entertaining fashion.
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The decision by ICS (co-ordinated by Stuart McCrudden)
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Stuart came in later Pete, it was John Davenport IIRC
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Gordon, Peter, thanks for the information.

I was very impressed by the Malibu, but I don't think it ever won at Knockhill. Mustangs and Camaros were usually the victors.

A few photos attached.

One other question; I remember three yellow Lotus Cortinas from Marksdanes Racing, were the drivers Nick Stagg / Peter Landers / Jim Harris ?
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Stuart came in later Pete, it was John Davenport IIRC
Quite correct - it was John Davenport. But it was 20 years ago!
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Malcolm, the third Marksdanes driver was Jim Harris, along with Nick and Peter. Number 72 in your photos was Glen Maskell - one of the founders of HRSR. Also , the Anglia in the distance in one of the shots looks a bit Gordon Streeterish. I see from the entry list in your earlier post that I was down for the Knockhill event but I didn't make it there. Still haven't!

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Malcolm, the third Marksdanes driver was Jim harris. Number 72 in your photos was Glen Maskell - one of the founders of HRSR. Also , the Anglia in the distance in one of the shots looks a bit Gordon Streeterish. I see from the entry list in your earlier post that I was down for the Knockhill event but I didn't make it there. Still haven't!
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