2009 Rolex 24 at Daytona (January 22-25) - Page 12

**Adam43** · 25 Jan 2009, 23:01 (Ref:2379225)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

They are the same i looked it up

inline6=straight 6

And that is a 10-10ths engine fact. Now the Daytona 24...

...the closest 24hours of all time?

Dead-Eye · 25 Jan 2009, 23:13 (Ref:2379234)

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Originally Posted by b555

Typical of the CGR guys.When the lexus engine had the power advantage they were not complaining.

Breaking News: Team that has advantage does not ask for it to be taken away!

Surprised the Sun Trust car made it, especially on the lead lap (probably helped by the cautions)...only the first three spots locked out by Rileys, could have been worse

b555 · 25 Jan 2009, 23:58 (Ref:2379257)

porsche does have 3.99 flat six engine with DFI(1st gen).but Grand Am would only allow them to race it,if this current engine was not up to the task.what would have happend if they would have been allowed race the DFI-version(has more horsepower,more torque + burns less fuel).although porsche may downplay it,the old 3.79L engine is signifanctly different than the current 3.99L engine.

TWK · 26 Jan 2009, 00:51 (Ref:2379279)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

They are the same i looked it up

inline6=straight 6

Correct (and that goes back to the turn of the 20th century...the Buick "Straight Eight" is a famous example).

Flat = Boxer.

V = V

No mixing allowed.

NightStalk3r · 26 Jan 2009, 00:54 (Ref:2379282)

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Originally Posted by b555

porsche does have 3.99 flat six engine with DFI(1st gen).but Grand Am would only allow them to race it,if this current engine was not up to the task.

What do you think Penske were using

Canada ALMS fan · 26 Jan 2009, 00:56 (Ref:2379283)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

Think that last caution may have really helped the Ganassi and SunTrust guys, with the Porsche not getting the same fuel economy. The latest pit stops coming with 1:49 to go will make it close if the Brumos guys can't run one stop if the Lexus and Ford guys can do it. Speed had reported they think the Ganssi had alot more fuel left in the tank at the last stop and is why they got out in front.

You gotta love the fantom "competition" NASCAR yellows to "improve" the show. Notice how the announcers didn't question what the yellow was for? Me thinks it was to help the Ganassi boys out. Other than that, it was a great finish.

b555 · 26 Jan 2009, 01:02 (Ref:2379288)

I know that they have 2 worked on 2 types engines.1 4.0L flat six engine with DFI and 1 4.0L flat six engine without.they are now claiming that they raced with the 4.0L engine without DFI.

Purist · 26 Jan 2009, 01:32 (Ref:2379306)

I don't know why you guys are surprised or complaining. I was watching a clip of the 2008 race off of YouTube, and one of the Brumos cars was pulling away from Justin Wilson in the #60 car on the banking at least as effectively as Donahue could put distance on Montoya (once he was ahead).

The Porsches have been good on the long "straights", and that's nothing new. Also, even with that supposed straight line advantage, how long did it take the #58 to get past the #01? And was the Ganassi car really particularly slower over a full lap? It certainly didn't look that way. I don't think there's a big problem. The top teams with other engines were NOT at all far off the Porsche pace at a track that you would expect Porsche to excel on.

**joeb** · 26 Jan 2009, 03:07 (Ref:2379327)

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Originally Posted by Purist

....I don't think there's a big problem. The top teams with other engines were NOT at all far off the Porsche pace at a track that you would expect Porsche to excel on.

For real, 3 different engines finished on the same lap after 24 hours! that seems like pretty good parity to me.

Hepatic · 26 Jan 2009, 08:15 (Ref:2379411)

exactly, the porsche was better on the straights and the lexus handled better in the twisty stuff. either that or Montoya was way better than Donohue

whatever the reason, it was a fascinating end to 24hrs of racing, had me on the edge of my seat for the last hr

Aslak Vind · 26 Jan 2009, 09:15 (Ref:2379454)

I feel sad for Jan Magnussen and his teammates, he delivers the GT Pontiac on firstplace, only to see it rammed in the pits. Okay, the engine was beginning to get soft and they lacked 40 km/t on the straights, but still a shame that other peoples mistakes costed them so much.

Welldone getting this car home in 4th in the GT class anyway.

LeMans.pt · 26 Jan 2009, 14:54 (Ref:2379641)

Sadly, there wasn't many people in Daytona....
Can someone tell me the numbers?

dxk1 · 26 Jan 2009, 15:38 (Ref:2379668)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

A great race is on and we decide to have a tedious argument about yellow flags. Well done lads.

You're right! We do have a tendency to go on about the yellows and I'm just as bad as everybody else in complaining about them in Grand-Am. The truth is that Daytona is just one of those tracks where they are necessary as it is impossible to remove debris from most of the course without a yellow. Who wants to walk out there on that banking to remove some debris without a yellow? It's really tough to "yellow flag" a "section" of the banking. Besides, even with all the yellows, the winner accumulated more laps than any other car in the 24 hours since the introduction of the DP racers. It was actually a very exciting race right down to the last second.

DK

Matt · 26 Jan 2009, 16:45 (Ref:2379705)

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Originally Posted by LeMans.pt

Sadly, there wasn't many people in Daytona....
Can someone tell me the numbers?

They were allll in the infield.

LeMans.pt · 26 Jan 2009, 16:50 (Ref:2379707)

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Originally Posted by Matt

They were allll in the infield.

I notice that... but how many they were? They looked to few for a race with that tradition!

Spyderman · 26 Jan 2009, 18:33 (Ref:2379802)

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Flyin Ryan · 26 Jan 2009, 21:05 (Ref:2379937)

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Originally Posted by LeMans.pt

I notice that... but how many they were? They looked to few for a race with that tradition!

No, that's normal.

Being generous, the usual is 25k. This past weekend looked usual.

b555 · 26 Jan 2009, 22:25 (Ref:2380000)

There were a lot of different views on the issue of the engine their horsepower.but the pontiac V8 will get Grand Am help because if they don't,they will lose pontiac as an engine manufacturer.the Gainsco boys are not happy about the engine and are thinking about switching manufacturers.Crawford is happy with the car improvements,but they feel that more development is needed and these are planned to be ready by the next race.but they also feel that the pontiac engine is the weak link and are also thinking about switching manufacturers.more info to follow

b555 · 26 Jan 2009, 23:09 (Ref:2380022)

now the discussion between the lexus,bmw,ford and porsche.Ganassi Racing feels that the ford and porsche horsepower advantage is to big(they say a least 15 hp) and have already spoken to grand am on the issue.bmw powered teams are also feel the same.but the ford and porsche powered teams feel that CGR and the others are overreacting and that the power gap is not that big.they have also spoken with Grand Am.brumos points to the fact that traffic helped david to pass juan and that after he passed him,he could not pull away from the CGR 01.so the power advantage is not that big.Grand Am has told the teams and engine manufacturers that they will not make any hasty decision and will test the engines first.
here are the unofficial horspower rankings according to some experts after daytona,but not everybody agrees.this is more of a indication what people think.
1.Ford & Porsche: aprox.545 hp
2.Bmw & Lexus : aprox.535 hp
3.Pontiac : aprox.525 hp
4.Cayenne V8 : aprox.520 hp
more info follow.

Aslak Vind · 27 Jan 2009, 00:06 (Ref:2380050)

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4.Cayenne V8 : aprox.520 hp

Really, did that race?

Speed-King · 27 Jan 2009, 00:09 (Ref:2380057)

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Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

Really, did that race?

yup, in the Spirit of Daytona Coyote. Alegra raced it last year but decided to switch to BMW...

Aslak Vind · 27 Jan 2009, 00:12 (Ref:2380061)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

yup, in the Spirit of Daytona Coyote. Alegra raced it last year but decided to switch to BMW...

I would have loved to hear that rumble

b555 · 27 Jan 2009, 10:32 (Ref:2380385)

the cayenne V8 is great project,to bad that is to go up against to engine manufacturers like ford,lexus,bmw,porsche,pontiac.but like pontiac,they will get some grand am help.

b555 · 27 Jan 2009, 10:33 (Ref:2380386)

the cayenne V8 is a great project,to bad that it has to go up against to engine manufacturers like ford,lexus,bmw,porsche,pontiac.but like pontiac,they will get some grand am help.

Speed-King · 27 Jan 2009, 13:01 (Ref:2380524)

I wonder if we will actually see the Honda V6 this year and if the Ferrari-engine will indeed be approved.
The more variety the better and with Lola and Dallara there are finally two worthy contenders for Riley in the chassis-manufacturers-battle.

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