'02 Astc?? - Page 4

Crash Test · 28 Mar 2002, 01:50 (Ref:245569)

Hrmmm, dirty fuel. If the situation down south is as bad as it is up here in QLD, then everyone is having all sorts of problems finding supplies of racing fuel... and to have where ever it is being sold, selling contaminated fuel, it aint good.

How is supply down south? I heard at Eastern Creek they bring a tanker out from the depot on race weekends. How many other tracks have their own tanks etc?

About Pugs- who has which ones? 405s: There is the Mike Fitzgerald one. There is the one Dwayne Bewley ran a while back, and didn't Carlos Rolfo have one at some stage up here in QLD? Are the latter two different cars/ex-fastways, ex- foxtel cars?

WRT to 406s- does Newman have 2? Also, does Paul Grimm still have the Patrick Watts car (man, that thing was smoooth at Lakeside 99)... and what else?

ASTEM · 28 Mar 2002, 04:19 (Ref:245641)

TC Motorsports have 2 x 406s and 2 x 405s, Paul Grimm has the 2x 406s and there is another 405(1993)i believe in QLD the guys name is jason i think.

there is also a 320 that BMW Oz owns and Brad Jones apparently still has a A4 Quattro.

Can anyone explain to me why the people who own all these cars don't want to race them? Why spend serious money on what are basically show cars, that site under car covers in garages.

As with the fuel i, belive that none of the teams will be purchasing fuel at the tracks any more.

Crash Test · 28 Mar 2002, 04:45 (Ref:245655)

I could understand if you had some form of attachment to the cars, or if you were going to stick them in a museum or something, but you'd think you'd sell them if you have had a gutfull of motor racing. I know that David Auger kept racing his car for years, and he was telling me a while ago that after all these seasons, if he divided what the car cost him, it figured out to be $Xthousand (forget the exact number, but it wasn't high) a season. That sort of thing makes sense to me. I hope David gets to go and have another crac at Macauu, he loved the joint...

Could you confirm which track the dirty fuel came from so I can warn everyone up here?

ASTEM · 28 Mar 2002, 04:55 (Ref:245665)

oran park

racer69 · 28 Mar 2002, 05:00 (Ref:245669)

I too don't understand the point of buying a car and not using it. Fair enough if you want it as a museum peice or you are a collector and are going to take care of them, but if u ain't going to use them, why not give them to someone who will.

The problem is sponsership, somehow they need to get excited about being involved in it, i don't think finding drivers would be a problem, if the package is in place, i'm sure many would compete.

Crash Test · 28 Mar 2002, 09:18 (Ref:245745)

Cost it simply be too expensive to run reliably these days?

I know of a problem here with the Gemini series, a lot of people buy the cars (for say $3000), and simply use them as BBQ discussion topics. "Hey mate, wanna come over and have a gander at me race car?" There are over 150 Gemini race cars in existance, but seldom to we get more than 20 on the race track at the same time any more. I'd hate to think how many sports sedans there are lying in garages all around Australia, because generally when you are through running it as a race car, you seldom can do much with the chassis etc..

kmchow · 29 Mar 2002, 01:58 (Ref:246366)

Another reason why you don't see more older ST or any racecars on the track is probably b/c of all the effort to race them. In other words, there is not enough financial incentive to race them. Whenever the car is on the track, you end up worrying about it. And you end up watching your budget like crazy wondering if you have enough money to make the next race.

Of course, if it were up to me, heck, even if you only have enough sponsor money to make one or two races, heck, just go for it and get some more track time.

OTOH, in the case of the BJR, aren't they already involved with the V8 Supercar series now? Do they have the time to plan and race in the ASTC?

ASTEM · 29 Mar 2002, 06:05 (Ref:246440)

Since i have been involved in super touring (6 years) the one thing that has suprosed me is that these cars don't cost the sort of money that is bounced around, you can run a Super Tourer in Australia with a budget of around $150,000 - $200,000. i was talking to a V8 light driver at oran park and he told me that for 8 race meetings it was going to cost him $275,000 to be mid field, to buy a mod field drive is about $25,000 a round. i know of one V8 Team that is seeking $175,000 for their windsreen for the season.

BJR are running in the V8 Supercars, last year Cameron McConville i belive had done a deal with BJR to run the A4, and it all fell thru.

kmchow · 29 Mar 2002, 07:10 (Ref:246456)

Astem wrote:

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Last year Cameron McConville i belive had done a deal with BJR to run the A4, and it all fell thru.

Can you say why? Lack of sponsorship? Or was BJR asking too much for their car and preparations perhaps? OTOH,if he's serious, surely he can locate a car elsewhere? OTOH, I guess Cameron had just wanted to rent the car. But as everyone have mentioned, what's the use of having your "investment" (i.e., ST car) sitting in the garage. Even if you get just 10K AUS for renting it out, it still represents a 10K return versus 0 dollar return?

ASTEM · 29 Mar 2002, 07:36 (Ref:246463)

i am not sure why the deal fell thru.

racer69 · 29 Mar 2002, 07:42 (Ref:246465)

The thing is that there are alot of quality drivers willing to race the cars, and there are alot of quality cars out three, just as always it comes down to money, most of which seems unfortunatly to all be going to V8s.

D.R.T. · 29 Mar 2002, 09:49 (Ref:246500)

Dam, Cam back in the A4 would have been electric. If the deal successful, could that have entised the king, the dude, Paul Morris to have had a drive in the BMW. What is happening with the Nemo 320i.

kmchow · 29 Mar 2002, 20:49 (Ref:246846)

The Audi is the only car that could have given Paul a serious "run for his money". Paul would have had to work really hard to earn his championship!

Didn't someone mention a while back the car was for sale for a lucridious amount of money?

ASTEM · 29 Mar 2002, 23:36 (Ref:246994)

the nemo 320i is for sale

$180,000

but i belive both engines need rebuilds so add another $60,000 odd to the sale price,

I belive that Paul grimm is seeking the sam sort of money for the 2 406s he has.

the man · 30 Mar 2002, 03:41 (Ref:247108)

I went to the power tour when it was at Oran Park last week. There was some great racing. What happened to Alan Gurr in his BMW? It blew out smoke for about 3-5 laps (I think) before it got called into the pits.
regards
the man

ASTEM · 30 Mar 2002, 07:38 (Ref:247146)

Alan Gurr, suffered a spilt 0 Ring, whuch was only 1 Week old, He also suffered from a Clutch Problem (Alan raced in the 2nd and 3rd race without a clutch)which has been traced to a cracked fitting. the 0 Ring was replace between the 1st and second race, the Cracked fitting was only discovered back at the workshop once the car was stripped down by the team. the faulty fitting has also been replaced.

The offical Web site for the 2002 Super Touring Series is http://www.ozspeed.net

kmchow · 30 Mar 2002, 19:21 (Ref:247545)

Nemo Racing want 180K for their BMW? You gotta be kidding me! Or do you mean BMWs as in two cars? And even if were both cars, that's quite optimistic.

ASTEM · 31 Mar 2002, 01:08 (Ref:247741)

Kellys car from last year has been sold, to a buyer in the UK i belive, the $180K is for the Morris car! ps don't forget the rebuilds

Michael H · 31 Mar 2002, 11:03 (Ref:247937)

Why doesn't paul grimm put his cars on the track?

Any news on free to air tv yet?

Michael H · 31 Mar 2002, 11:31 (Ref:247952)

http://www.copanaciones.com.ar/ingles/teams/index.htm

This should get you to the list of South American teams from the 1999 series, and a lot of the emails should be still in use.

The 2001 series stopped after one round on April 1 2001.

12 cars were at that one meeting. BMW 320i's, Alfa 156's, Vectra's, Chrysler's , Toyota's, Alfa 155's.

A new South American ace had been discovered at that meeting - Juan-Manuel Lopez. Let's hope he can bring his car to Australia!!! An Alfa 156.

The 2001 details for the series were
www.superturismosudam.com

Media contact
Fernando Carbollo
fcarballo@topmail.com.ar

Organiser - ADESA
info@superturismosudam.com

I hope all these details can help get some cars to Australia.

racer69 · 31 Mar 2002, 12:08 (Ref:247983)

Why was the 2001 South American series canned, 12 cars hardly seems like a bad field. It's a shame, it had some good drivers, wasn't former F1 driver Oscar Laurrari a 3 time champion in an Alfa 156, also it means there is only the Swedish and Austrlian Championships left running to the Super Touring regulations

Michael H · 31 Mar 2002, 12:12 (Ref:247987)

apparently a tv deal fell through, and all the sponsor dollars were going to the dark ages category of TC 2000.

Bring the Superr Tourers to Australia!

racer69 · 31 Mar 2002, 12:27 (Ref:247997)

What a shame, that was a pretty hotly contested series, had pretty up to date cars as well. I agree about the Argentinian TC2000 class, though it seems to be where the manufacturers and sponser's are going.

Didn't the loss of a TV deal kill the German STW Cup prior to the 2000 season.

kmchow · 1 Apr 2002, 01:50 (Ref:248566)

AFAIK, the TC2000 has been severely wounded b/c of the current Argentinian Economic crisis. Didn't Ford and Toyota pull their teams out?

kmchow · 1 Apr 2002, 04:54 (Ref:248652)

Talk about interesting, officially 4 door sedans are NOT allowed in the JGTC. However, for '02, the organizers have waived the rule for CUSCO Racing, a long time Subaru Impreza team!! This was just an one off waiver for this team in particular. Talk about weird huh!

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