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Old 16 Aug 2018, 11:04 (Ref:3843978)   #1051
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Gary achieved it with fewer cars though.
Only one less, anyway good luck to Carl Boardley.
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Old 16 Aug 2018, 13:58 (Ref:3844009)   #1052
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engines are flow tested and equalised. nothing to do with straightline speed.
Equalised with each other (other engines) or against some kind of calculation based on chassis performance as well? Isnt that why in the past the Honda had one of the weakest engines because its chassis was "so good"?
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Old 16 Aug 2018, 14:08 (Ref:3844010)   #1053
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Equalised with each other (other engines) or against some kind of calculation based on chassis performance as well? Isnt that why in the past the Honda had one of the weakest engines because its chassis was "so good"?
years ago they tried some sort of lap time equalisation method but now its just engines equalised. nothing to do with chassis performance.
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Old 17 Aug 2018, 17:49 (Ref:3844305)   #1054
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Old 17 Aug 2018, 18:12 (Ref:3844311)   #1055
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The reason he left HARD before snetterton?

Have #teamsimo been playing the long game on this?
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Old 17 Aug 2018, 18:31 (Ref:3844317)   #1056
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The reason he left HARD before snetterton?
Chicken or egg?

Did Kingston leave HARD knowing he had a place with Simpson, or did Kingston leaving HARD prompt Simpson to branch out on his own?

Would explain the unusual timing of Simpson's move.
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Old 17 Aug 2018, 18:49 (Ref:3844322)   #1057
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The reason he left HARD before snetterton?

Have #teamsimo been playing the long game on this?
I don't believe it was Kingston's decision to "leave" Team HARD.
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Old 17 Aug 2018, 18:57 (Ref:3844324)   #1058
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I don't believe it was Kingston's decision to "leave" Team HARD.
Id expect not otherwise we would see another Jake Hill style contract battle.

That said im surprised any severance agreement didnt involve him not working for a rival this year
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Old 17 Aug 2018, 19:30 (Ref:3844342)   #1059
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Id expect not otherwise we would see another Jake Hill style contract battle.

That said im surprised any severance agreement didnt involve him not working for a rival this year
I think Geoff works for the teams as a consultant, so isn’t actually employed by them but contracted by them. I know Ingram said they were using him less and less last year hence why he went to work for HARD. Without sponsorship money involved and a commercial contract it would be a lot easier for either party to end the deal and no ‘gardening leave’ required.
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Old 17 Aug 2018, 19:35 (Ref:3844343)   #1060
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For his sake I hope he doesn't start telling young Matt that the setup worked for Tingram, he won etc.

Was GK involved with Simpsons car the year it was run out of Speedworks?
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Old 17 Aug 2018, 19:42 (Ref:3844345)   #1061
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I think Geoff works for the teams as a consultant, so isn’t actually employed by them but contracted by them. I know Ingram said they were using him less and less last year hence why he went to work for HARD. Without sponsorship money involved and a commercial contract it would be a lot easier for either party to end the deal and no ‘gardening leave’ required.
Yes - I the think Denridge engineering would be the organisation that HARD would have their agreement with, and would probably resist being tied to not working elsewhere if an agreement ends.
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Old 17 Aug 2018, 19:47 (Ref:3844346)   #1062
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For his sake I hope he doesn't start telling young Matt that the setup worked for Tingram, he won etc.

Was GK involved with Simpsons car the year it was run out of Speedworks?
Not sure if he was involved directly, but was working with the team so Simpson would have been exposed to him at least.
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Old 17 Aug 2018, 20:24 (Ref:3844359)   #1063
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Great move by Simpson. Geoff helped develop Tingram and Colin, now he can do the same hopefully for Simpson
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Old 17 Aug 2018, 20:43 (Ref:3844360)   #1064
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Great move by Simpson. Geoff helped develop Tingram and Colin, now he can do the same hopefully for Simpson
He did nothing for Bushell, Hill or Thompson though - one quit and the other two have only started scoring points since Kingston went.
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Old 18 Aug 2018, 15:15 (Ref:3844469)   #1065
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Yip. Big fail at HARD; pity is it seemed to take Jake walking away for Tony to wake up and take some action.
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He did nothing for Bushell, Hill or Thompson though - one quit and the other two have only started scoring points since Kingston went.


So, your point being? I seem to remember Tingram saying he owes a lot to Geoff and I remember him when he was engineering Colin, they both really enjoyed working together
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So, your point being? I seem to remember Tingram saying he owes a lot to Geoff and I remember him when he was engineering Colin, they both really enjoyed working together
Tom comes across humble about everything, owes it all to him but speedworks are doing ok without him and didnt rush to get him back.
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So, your point being? I seem to remember Tingram saying he owes a lot to Geoff and I remember him when he was engineering Colin, they both really enjoyed working together
My point is that at the end of last year HARD were claiming that getting Geoff on board was going to propel them up the grid.

It didn't.
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My point is that at the end of last year HARD were claiming that getting Geoff on board was going to propel them up the grid.

It didn't.
The other factor is that Speedworks had proper funding in place for development. Team HARD we’re looking for a magic bullet on less funding. The development and improvements took a few seasons at Speedworks, so the whole process was longer term.
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My point is that at the end of last year HARD were claiming that getting Geoff on board was going to propel them up the grid.

It didn't.
IIRC, it was 3yrs before consistent results appeared at Speedworks. Why do we think that timescale would be massively reduced at another team?
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IIRC, it was 3yrs before consistent results appeared at Speedworks. Why do we think that timescale would be massively reduced at another team?
3 years for a one car team, so 1 year for a 4-car team should be no problem.
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IIRC, it was 3yrs before consistent results appeared at Speedworks. Why do we think that timescale would be massively reduced at another team?
It wasn't "we" saying that though. It was Team HARD.

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Don't recall them having a car that can rival any team on the grid this year.
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It wasn't "we" saying that though. It was Team HARD.



Don't recall them having a car that can rival any team on the grid this year.
Read carefully what they say. They don't refer to the car, but the 'package'.

They also say that they will make improvements, but no timescale is given.

The idea that the car will be the best performing at the start of the season is an interpretation of what is written, not what they actually said.

Package - car, engineers, finance, drivers, sponsors, experience.
Improvements - will be made, at some ungiven time in the future.
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I don't see any real improvement in normal races over any other seasons. I can't be bothered to crunch the numbers but the perception is definitely that's there no big change.

Just seems a strange thing to blame fans for having high expectations when the team has built those expectations up in the first place.
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