Nick Heidfeids luck changes.

grumpy1 · 22 Jul 2004, 03:19 (Ref:1042792)

It will be announced this weekend that Nich Heidfeild has been signed to partner Mark Webber at Williams for season 05.Looks like Nicks luck is changing for the better.

The Grumpy1

Skam85 · 22 Jul 2004, 03:30 (Ref:1042797)

Source please? Good news if it's true!

Wrex · 22 Jul 2004, 03:35 (Ref:1042798)

Although this may well be true (I hope so), can we please post rumours as rumours until they are confirmed?

A Webber/Heidfeld combination is a great line-up for Williams, and should help them in their return to the top.

grumpy1 · 22 Jul 2004, 03:35 (Ref:1042799)

Williams

Wrex · 22 Jul 2004, 03:36 (Ref:1042800)

I think he means a 'real' source

grumpy1 · 22 Jul 2004, 03:37 (Ref:1042802)

Quote:

Originally posted by Wrex
Although this may well be true (I hope so), can we please post rumours as rumours until they are confirmed?

A Webber/Heidfeld combination is a great line-up for Williams, and should help them in their return to the top.

I don't post rumours.My source is from within Williams.

Led ZeppF1 · 22 Jul 2004, 04:19 (Ref:1042813)

Ehmmm, according to a team insider...

Gt_R · 22 Jul 2004, 04:23 (Ref:1042814)

..who do not wish to be named..

But to be serious, it'd be good news for nick to make that move. It's been a long wait for a competitive seat..and hopefully this would make up for his disappointment of being neglected by Mclaren.

Wrex · 22 Jul 2004, 04:26 (Ref:1042817)

Mate, no matter how good your source may or may not be, until a team officially announces something, its a rumour. it may well be fact to you, but as far as ten-tenths forum policy goes, its a runour.

This does'nt mean I dont believe you, but surely you can understand we dont want every man and his dog that 'claims' to have a source inside a team.

Just to note a couple of things :

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Originally posted by grumpy1
the cost of getting Webber is less than Hiedfeld thanks to the clause in Webbers contract on where the team needed to be after the USGP.Expect an announcement on Webber after the British GP moving to Willie ASAP.

The Grumpy1

Hmmm, I guess you did'nt say how many days/weeks/months after the British GP.

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Originally posted by grumpy1
Marc Gene will fill the seat until at least Monza(as I stated last week).

Ooops

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Originally posted by grumpy1
OK I'm going to confirm 2 things that my source confirmed today.
1.Ralf has signed with Toyota.
2.Webber will be at Williams next year and expect an announcement on that after the USGP.

Well, he was half right

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Originally posted by grumpy1
The front runners for Marks services at the moment are Toyota and Ferrari.

Time to give that source of yours a kick in the ass

Gt_R · 22 Jul 2004, 05:55 (Ref:1042846)

Seesh...Wrex..sometimes u can be a pain in the ass

It's nice to speculate and anything can happen in F1. Adrian Newey was supposed to be heading to Jaguar until Ron steps in with a big fuss. So while i appreciate insider's story..i'd only believe it when the story's out on major websites and official press.

Isn't there "It's official" thread regarding something about dear JV by someone else too?

marcus · 22 Jul 2004, 06:03 (Ref:1042851)

Why ???????????????

are williams planning to be midfield again ??????

Led ZeppF1 · 22 Jul 2004, 09:04 (Ref:1042945)

But to be serious, IMHO, Nick was deserevs to get a competitive seat.

enemy-ace · 22 Jul 2004, 10:55 (Ref:1043007)

While I like Heidfeld my gut says he is not a good fit at Williams. I can't help but think he may end up like Frentzen. Webber is too strong of a driver and personality and will probably chew him up. By personality I mean someone who can deal with the 'Williams' team. They have historically liked their drivers to be aggressive types (some exceptions of course) and Heidfeld doesn't strike me as such.

dcp2685 · 22 Jul 2004, 11:18 (Ref:1043291)

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Originally posted by enemy-ace
While I like Heidfeld my gut says he is not a good fit at Williams. I can't help but think he may end up like Frentzen. Webber is too strong of a driver and personality and will probably chew him up. By personality I mean someone who can deal with the 'Williams' team. They have historically liked their drivers to be aggressive types (some exceptions of course) and Heidfeld doesn't strike me as such.

While I agree w/ you that I think Webber may chew him up, i don't think it's a bad move to sign Heidfield. He beat kimi at Sauber 3 years ago and has generally consistently driven well given the car he's been given. He's currently sitting 1 point shy of Mark Webber and they've both had 5 retirements between them. Given it's tough to say the Jaguar is the better car but compared to the Jordan but it is because he's consistently finished behind Klein in the races they've finished together and we all know Nick is better than Christian. He's apparently doing something right.

In terms of agressiveness....it's hard to be agressive when your consistently quicker than the Minardi and consistently slower than the Jaguar or Toyota in front of you.

dcp2685 · 22 Jul 2004, 11:35 (Ref:1043311)

Even if Webber does consistently do better, if Heidfield consistently scores points to help the team win (gee..i don't know of any team that does that) the WCC then it's a good deal. How many times in the past have one or both Williams (JPM and Ralf) cars knocked each other out?

While I think a Webber/Fisi would have greater potential for success, a Webber/Heidfield pairing is not far behind. And i think either one is better than the current lineup (JPM and Ralf) from a consistency standpoint.

But we just don't know Heidfield may surprise us on just how good he is.

Hungary 89 · 22 Jul 2004, 11:45 (Ref:1043317)

In fairness I don't thing Enemy-Ace is necessarily talking about an agressive driving style but more how you deal with team principles

BootsOntheSide · 22 Jul 2004, 12:18 (Ref:1043344)

Webber and Heidfeld would be a good team in my view, and ths would back up the FIsichella-to-Renault rumours. My only concern is that neither of them are the kind of guys who extract 110% from a car, and the team could get stuck in a rut as a result. I can also imagine them beign good or bad on the same weekends, unlike the JPM/Ralf pairing where at least one driver usually had a good run.

EERO · 22 Jul 2004, 12:42 (Ref:1043362)

I sure hope the rumour is true.

I frankly think that Heidfeld is far better than he is given credit for. I also suspect that he is shrewd enough not to repeat Frentzen's naivite. He is more experienced that Frentzen was when HHF was lured to Williams and he has spent the last year driving the pants off a dog turd run by a used car salesman. That alone is evidence of strength of character.

If the rumours are true, Williams have made a great move an I am convinced that both drivers will have sucess.This is a line up of two guys who get down to business, don't complain, who work their butts off and they are both very quick.

enemy-ace · 22 Jul 2004, 13:46 (Ref:1043418)

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Originally posted by Hungary 89
In fairness I don't thing Enemy-Ace is necessarily talking about an agressive driving style but more how you deal with team principles

Bingo!
I don't doubt Heidfelds talent behind the wheel.
F1 is a team sport though and i think Webber has the qualities that will get the team working for him. While i don't think Heidfeld can do the same. I think he may become the forgotten man at Williams. If he isn't a comfortable fit at the team that MAY lead to him being a struggling driver.

spider · 22 Jul 2004, 13:59 (Ref:1043437)

I seriously doubt any decision has been taken. I had an interesting chat with an individual in Pizzonia's camp, and they're all still very much hoping that if 'all goes to plan' they'll be putting themself in a good position for 'the seat alongside Mark next year'. Mark WILL be at WIlliams next year, it's got to be made official soon, surely!?

Kicking-back · 22 Jul 2004, 14:13 (Ref:1043458)

grumpy1 previously insisted his "source" had confirmed Webber and Davidson as Williams driver next year.

I'll believe it when I hear it from Sir Francis.

Mark Webber · 22 Jul 2004, 14:43 (Ref:1043495)

this would be the combo I would have picked Mark/ Nick is a better combo then Mark/Fissi

spider · 22 Jul 2004, 14:44 (Ref:1043496)

Depends on who your "source" is, doesn't it...

**Peter Mallett** · 22 Jul 2004, 14:46 (Ref:1043503)

Don't be source(y)

Kicking-back · 22 Jul 2004, 14:47 (Ref:1043507)

If it proves true, what a turn around for Nick - almost out of F1 at the start of the season, into a top team by the end of it.

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