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Old 26 Mar 2020, 16:18 (Ref:3967025)   #5386
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I think TCR would have been a cheaper alternative. Much cheaper cars to buy or build, but the running costs may be higher.
I understand there are safety issues with these cars in that they are a bit more fragile than BTCC cars. I stand to be corrected.
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Old 26 Mar 2020, 20:54 (Ref:3967080)   #5387
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So to try and to keep people’s spirits up, what has everyone been looking forward most to this season?

For me I have been looking forward to seeing Mat Jackson back most of all and also been looking forward to seeing other teams with different drivers from last season, like Sonic and Cook at BTC or Hill at MB Motorsport or Bobby Thompson and James Gornall at TPR. Not forgetting the new Hyundai too

And also seeing how Oliphant does in his second season with WSR and whether Cammish could go one better
My spirits are fairly high. Family is healthy, demand on the farm from our customers is huge and what's left of my farm in Zim is picking up as well. So very lucky given what's happening to many people at the moment

Btcc, can't wait to see Hill in the FK2 and also how Crees gets on at BTC. If he does hit it off they look to have a really strong team. Also Jackson back in the series
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Old 26 Mar 2020, 22:48 (Ref:3967091)   #5388
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I understand there are safety issues with these cars in that they are a bit more fragile than BTCC cars. I stand to be corrected.
First time ive heard that about TCR... However the NGTC cars arent without their issues. The frequency of the rear suspension getting broken after a mild knock certainly is a weak point of the design.
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Old 27 Mar 2020, 07:32 (Ref:3967128)   #5389
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First time ive heard that about TCR... However the NGTC cars arent without their issues. The frequency of the rear suspension getting broken after a mild knock certainly is a weak point of the design.
As has been repeatedly explained, it isn't a weak point of the design.

Suspension parts are cheap and easy to replace. Making them break on lateral impact is far preferable to having that energy dissipating through the car, potentially damaging the cage or other parts that would be timeconsuming and expensive to repair.
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Old 27 Mar 2020, 08:15 (Ref:3967142)   #5390
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I understand there are safety issues with these cars in that they are a bit more fragile than BTCC cars. I stand to be corrected.
Safety issues? Really??? So a fully FIA homologated set of regs/cars have safety issues - if that was the case then FIA would have to ground every single TCR car being used until a fix for the 'safety issue' was resolved.
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Old 27 Mar 2020, 08:37 (Ref:3967153)   #5391
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I said I stand to be corrected but I was told by one of the drivers. Hey ho.
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Old 27 Mar 2020, 08:50 (Ref:3967159)   #5392
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As has been repeatedly explained, it isn't a weak point of the design.

Suspension parts are cheap and easy to replace. Making them break on lateral impact is far preferable to having that energy dissipating through the car, potentially damaging the cage or other parts that would be timeconsuming and expensive to repair.
I totally understand the reasoning, however when it results in a DNF every time it happens, what is the cost of a potential "race win" or even a championship? Quite a few drivers have had this happen, most notably Turkington and Jordan in a BMW and Honda respectively. Both were in title winning positions, luckily for Jordan it didn't cost him the championship, but in Colin's case it did.

I heard someone say that the RML part for this is lighter and the GPRM part was tougher? Any truth?
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Old 27 Mar 2020, 10:20 (Ref:3967176)   #5393
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I said I stand to be corrected but I was told by one of the drivers. Hey ho.
Is that just a driver moaning about the amount of bits which fall off during a shunt? TCR cars are based off road cars, therefore perform like a road car in a crash. You want to dissipate as much energy as possible to stop it transferring to the cabin & occupants, this means that a lot of bits 'drop off' as it is a way of removing energy from the car. NGTC on the otherhand is a 'proper' race car, built ground up as a racecar then clad with some exterior panels which make it look like a road car. Therefore bits are more likely to stay intact as they can be re-engineered to be a bit more resilient during a crash.
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Old 27 Mar 2020, 10:37 (Ref:3967183)   #5394
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As has been repeatedly explained, it isn't a weak point of the design.

Suspension parts are cheap and easy to replace. Making them break on lateral impact is far preferable to having that energy dissipating through the car, potentially damaging the cage or other parts that would be timeconsuming and expensive to repair.
The GPRM parts were alot more resistant to damage from a 'slight tap' at least they could carry on to finish the race. The RML stuff is tubular wishbones as opposed to GPRM machined from ally wishbones.
And the GPRM wheel nuts don't undo themselves either... 🙄
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I said I stand to be corrected but I was told by one of the drivers. Hey ho.
First rule of Team Management: Never listen to the drivers!
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Old 27 Mar 2020, 10:39 (Ref:3967185)   #5396
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Is that just a driver moaning about the amount of bits which fall off during a shunt?
No. It was related to how (in his opinion) fragile they are structurally.
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Old 27 Mar 2020, 11:11 (Ref:3967189)   #5397
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No. It was related to how (in his opinion) fragile they are structurally.
Probably told that by somebody trying to justify why NGTC is more expensive.
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Old 27 Mar 2020, 11:28 (Ref:3967190)   #5398
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Or probably why he refused a drive.
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Old 27 Mar 2020, 18:18 (Ref:3967257)   #5399
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Ladbrokes were the Motorbase title sponsor. No sport now meant they pulled the plug on the Friday before media day.

Ive heard that from two unconnected sources now. One who runs a junior team on the support package, and another driver coach to a Porsche squad.
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Old 27 Mar 2020, 18:38 (Ref:3967260)   #5400
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Almost every sponsor that isn't the driver or close families own company is going to be out unless they've already paid up (most are done in installments, and typically the first major one will only be around the time of the first round), and a lot of the self-sponsored drivers may reconsider their position as well.
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