2017 TCR International Series News & Rumours - Page 16

Tarzaan · 15 May 2017, 06:56 (Ref:3733566)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Erm, what? Yes it is. He wasn't blocking at all, he was trying to break the tow of the car behind it. That's a super common occurrence in any sort of circuit racing where drafting happens.

Changing his line multiple times in a straight is not OK, it's a simple jerk move. In this any driver can block any overtake. And it is not a common occuence, I saw it only in 125ccm/moto3. It is penalized in any major series.

+ he forced Colciago of the track - clearly not leve enough space in the first chikane.

Cinghio44 · 15 May 2017, 10:11 (Ref:3733587)

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Originally Posted by Mark0994

I know, but there was 4 times drivers braked late and crashed into someone else.

I would say more incidents than contacts

Anyway great race 2

Matt · 15 May 2017, 13:09 (Ref:3733614)

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Originally Posted by Tarzaan

Changing his line multiple times in a straight is not OK, it's a simple jerk move. In this any driver can block any overtake. And it is not a common occuence, I saw it only in 125ccm/moto3. It is penalized in any major series.

+ he forced Colciago of the track - clearly not leve enough space in the first chikane.

It wasn't a block! He wasn't reacting to any move going down the straight. He was trying to break the tow of the car behind him, and that is allowed in every single series. It's when you're weaving to block someone is when it becomes a problem.

**FIRE** · 15 May 2017, 19:40 (Ref:3733682)

I have to look it back but I don't think he was blocking.

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Originally Posted by Mark0994

http://www.touringcartimes.com/2017/...ate-programme/
After Craft-Bamboo now WestCoast are whining.
What would they say if they run in BTCC then...

Only 17th and 18th in the standings. Even the Opel drivers have more points. Ouch....

**FIRE** · 15 May 2017, 19:42 (Ref:3733684)

Great racing so far this season.

The only thing this series needs is a handful more full time entries.
Also I would like to see longer races, not much but let's say 5 to 10 minutes exra.

Cinghio44 · 15 May 2017, 20:31 (Ref:3733694)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

I have to look it back but I don't think he was blocking.

Only 17th and 18th in the standings. Even the Opel drivers have more points. Ouch....

Team and drivers are really struggling with the car. Altoe is a rookie but Morbidelli was a front runner in the last two season, really disappointing for him.

Given his past, I was almost sure that WCR was opting for an Audi at the beginning of 2017...

Tarzaan · 16 May 2017, 10:14 (Ref:3733814)

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Originally Posted by Matt

It wasn't a block! He wasn't reacting to any move going down the straight. He was trying to break the tow of the car behind him, and that is allowed in every single series. It's when you're weaving to block someone is when it becomes a problem.

That was blocking, that's why most major racing series directly bann this behaviour. You can"t change your line multiple times.

Akrapovic · 16 May 2017, 10:25 (Ref:3733816)

No series bans trying to break the tow. It was happening during the Monza ELMS race too. Blocking and breaking the tow are 2 different things.

Do you have a link to a video of it?

Racing Harz · 16 May 2017, 13:50 (Ref:3733858)

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Originally Posted by Tarzaan

That was blocking, that's why most major racing series directly bann this behaviour. You can"t change your line multiple times.

Look the old WTCC Races in Monza - they did the same thing - it's not blocking! Learn a bit about breaking the tow befor you're trolling.

Matt · 16 May 2017, 14:45 (Ref:3733879)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

No series bans trying to break the tow. It was happening during the Monza ELMS race too. Blocking and breaking the tow are 2 different things.

Do you have a link to a video of it?

Should be cued up here...lap 10/11 of Race 2, going down towards Parabolica.

https://youtu.be/VyG4f_SGunA?t=1987

Mark0994 · 17 May 2017, 09:41 (Ref:3734026)

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Mark0994 · 17 May 2017, 14:55 (Ref:3734074)

http://www.touringcartimes.com/2017/...ndards-in-tcr/
I agree that Colciago and Vervisch should let Homola through, but I think they get away with "Homola was spinning we was avoiding him" argument.
But Craft-Bamboo guys?
Dave Newsham said that there aren't straight panel on his car after Brands Race 3 and he fought to the end and finished in points.

thlbtcc · 17 May 2017, 15:07 (Ref:3734075)

Well played Lotti, well played.

All the crashing and banging means we talk about the series. And talking is good, raises awareness.

I remember the dodgy tactics of Alfa vs Honda in the Euro STC days, the strategy of turning a bling eye works the same today.

thlbtcc · 17 May 2017, 15:17 (Ref:3734080)

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Originally Posted by Mark0994

[url]http://www.touringcartimes.com/2017/05/17/continued-frustration-over-t.
But Craft-Bamboo guys?
Dave Newsham said that there aren't straight panel on his car after Brands Race 3 and he fought to the end and finished in points.

They have a point in so much that if someone is only doing one race and the only penalties apply to the next race (�* la Colciago from Monza), then there is the opportunity to exploit the rules.

Perhaps a License system similar to the BTCC is required, which would cover any TCR series you take part in. Crash into someone, get points, do it too many times and you start at the back or miss a race.

Mark0994 · 17 May 2017, 17:14 (Ref:3734095)

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Originally Posted by thlbtcc

Perhaps a License system similar to the BTCC is required, which would cover any TCR series you take part in. Crash into someone, get points, do it too many times and you start at the back or miss a race.

That's a good idea.

Akrapovic · 18 May 2017, 06:32 (Ref:3734175)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Should be cued up here...lap 10/11 of Race 2, going down towards Parabolica.

https://youtu.be/VyG4f_SGunA?t=1987

Thanks for that. That's clearly not blocking at all. The car behind has a good car length of two, and in a touring car that's no where near close enough to make the pass.

Can see when he gets to the main straight he stops trying to break the tow because the Honda is much closer, and at that point it would be blocking. Some clever driving sticking to the right all the way down the main straight to keep the inside blocked off. By doing that he was able to make his one move back to the left of the circuit. That was pretty clever driving from Comini.

Not so much from that VW. Tried to go around the outside into the chicane and just aborted over the grass. That was a bit poor.

Tarzaan · 18 May 2017, 19:54 (Ref:3734341)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

No series bans trying to break the tow. It was happening during the Monza ELMS race too. Blocking and breaking the tow are 2 different things.

Do you have a link to a video of it?

Matt linked it earlier.

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Originally Posted by Racing Harz

Look the old WTCC Races in Monza - they did the same thing - it's not blocking! Learn a bit about breaking the tow befor you're trolling.

Trolling? Because you don't like it? I don't remember this kind of racingfrom old WTCC races, but if you are, pls. give a link to a video.

This is the 2012 race, no such thing from the leading car I noticed.

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Originally Posted by Matt

Should be cued up here...lap 10/11 of Race 2, going down towards Parabolica.

https://youtu.be/VyG4f_SGunA?t=1987

Thank you, that is what I thinking, and I stille think the same. what I wrote earlier?

Racing Harz · 18 May 2017, 21:10 (Ref:3734349)

Old = early years from WTCC = 2005 - 2007...

Tarzaan · 19 May 2017, 18:47 (Ref:3734521)

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Originally Posted by Racing Harz

Old = early years from WTCC = 2005 - 2007...

1 - still no links

2 - that was a decadeago. Different times, different standars.

Matt · 19 May 2017, 19:03 (Ref:3734524)

Fairly certain touring car driving standards haven't changed in over 30 years.

Weaving to break a tow is allowed in every series without repercussions. It's when you weave to block, or reacting to a move from a car behind you, that isn't.

Tarzaan · 22 May 2017, 18:03 (Ref:3735315)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Fairly certain touring car driving standards haven't changed in over 30 years.

Weaving to break a tow is allowed in every series without repercussions. It's when you weave to block, or reacting to a move from a car behind you, that isn't.

I think we following very different series with very different driving standards, because I didn' remember anything like that.

Bcarr6 · 25 May 2017, 07:55 (Ref:3735838)

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Originally Posted by Tarzaan

I think we following very different series with very different driving standards, because I didn' remember anything like that.

It is allowable in DTM, WTCC, BTCC... touring cars....

I think maybe the thing is you don't often see touring cars run on such long straights as you have in monza, so you don't often see such aggressive weaving.

So when you see a race at monza it seems more pronounced.

Doesn't mean it's bad, it's just a symptom of a track with longer wider straights.

Moving to break a tow can be seen commonplace in races pretty much every weekend, as Matt said it's doing it when a move is being made that's a problem

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 25 May 2017, 13:00 (Ref:3735937)

I'm honestly amazed that this argument even began, yet alone has continued for so long.

What happened to discussion in this forum?

Mark0994 · 25 May 2017, 16:17 (Ref:3735958)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUZA1c6h...torsport&hl=en
Updated WRX STi

Mark0994 · 25 May 2017, 17:10 (Ref:3735965)

Here's the picture, without Instagram link.

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