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Old 21 Apr 2018, 17:52 (Ref:3816815)   #2791
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Don't perfornance differences do exactly the opposite of creating overtakes?
I mean you have qualifying, which is aimed at putting the best guy in the best car in front (and the current system even further promotes that).
How is a slower driver in a slower car supposed to overtake him?

Minimize the performance gap, I say.
Yes, but in the race you need performance differences. So anything that changes the relative pace of each competitor through the race should be encouraged.
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Old 21 Apr 2018, 18:54 (Ref:3816823)   #2792
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I'm not sure any idea is terrible. That way lies failure. What we can't do here is analyse what that idea means practically which is why we propose things that we hope rather than know will work.

As everyone knows I come from the less tech, more driver input school of thought. But many see that as a backward step. What do I know? I'm just an old bloke that races cars.
rightly said imo.

it is interesting to note what background each of us have as that reflects on our perspective about which changes we think are needed and why we come to those conclusions.

myself, coming from accounting/financial background probably explains why the changes i typically advocate for are about financial stability, cost controls, budgets caps, how payments are managed...the typical refrain from any good accountant i would think.
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Old 23 Apr 2018, 11:50 (Ref:3816998)   #2793
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The problem is the more you simplify the more you risk looking like, as Marchionne said, 'global NASCAR'. And he's not change his tune even since Liberty's presentation to the teams.
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Old 23 Apr 2018, 12:04 (Ref:3817003)   #2794
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Can't say that I've ever equated single seaters with NASCAR. He may be referring to the standardisation of componentry which is something I'm against.
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Old 1 May 2018, 08:17 (Ref:3818610)   #2795
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Changes to the front wing and the rear wing flap have been pushed through by the FIA and Liberty with the support of the 3 Mercedes powered teams and Sauber.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/135718

Lets hope it works.
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Old 1 May 2018, 09:15 (Ref:3818621)   #2796
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Sauber agreeing is an interesting power play.
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Old 1 May 2018, 10:17 (Ref:3818633)   #2797
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It will have a "simplified front wing with a larger span and low outwash potential, simplified front brake duct with no winglets, plus a wider and deeper rear wing that will make DRS more effective."

I agree with the front wing and brake ducts but the FIA way of making DRS more powerful I don't like. The teams ran CFD tests for each change apart from extra bargeboards so that was not approved. Why all the Mercedes cars AND Sauber voting for this?
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I like the fact they are simplifying the front wing, but for goodness sake, we don't want anymore DRS influence! We just want less downforce and they should start by getting rid of all the ugly winglets that adorn an F1's bodywork these days. Or are the FIA too scared to admit they were wrong to increase downforce for 2017?
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Old 1 May 2018, 16:45 (Ref:3818703)   #2799
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If it's pushed by the 3 Mercedes teams then it's bad by default.
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It will have a "simplified front wing with a larger span and low outwash potential, simplified front brake duct with no winglets, plus a wider and deeper rear wing that will make DRS more effective."

I agree with the front wing and brake ducts but the FIA way of making DRS more powerful I don't like. The teams ran CFD tests for each change apart from extra bargeboards so that was not approved. Why all the Mercedes cars AND Sauber voting for this?
The Mercedes teams have the best PU, and if the Mercedes customers can dumb down the better aero of the Renault and STR teams they will have a better chance of beating them. That is why they are voting the way they are.

Divide and rule, with only 4 teams voting in favour of the change?

Now for the PU change, hopefully Renault and Honda teams can vote to change the PU's, which will be good.
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As everyone knows I come from the less tech, more driver input school of thought.
Which tech do you want removed?

I certainly want the hybrid gubbins removed.

Aerodynamic surfacing is not really tech, it's just a consequence of a racing car that travels fast in an atmosphere rather than in a vacuum. F1 cars should be fast beasts that zip through corners in an astonishing way IMO. (And they should have naturally aspirated V12s, hehe.)
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The Mercedes teams have the best PU
HAD the best PU. Not anymore. The Ferrari PU is marginally ahead so far in 2018.
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Divide and rule, with only 4 teams voting in favour of the change?
One of those teams is powered by Ferrari. So your point that Mercedes and their customer teams have only voted for their own advantage is flawed.

You are indeed entitled to your opinion, but you are coming over as an unbalanced crank regarding the Mercedes PU.



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Old 2 May 2018, 05:04 (Ref:3818795)   #2803
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On the subject of the Ferrari PU, the FiA are keeping a close eye on the Ferrari ERS. They have had an initial look at it, and will apparently be having a closer look at the entire system in Spain.

Wonder if this has come about as a result of former Ferrari Chief Engine Designer Lorenzo Sassi (was fired from Ferrari last year), who is now with Mercedes? Maybe he has some "secrets" to be revealed.


Personally, I doubt the FiA will find anything at all. Can you imagine the uproar if they did and had to take away points from Ferrari??



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HAD the best PU. Not anymore. The Ferrari PU is marginally ahead so far in 2018.
One of those teams is powered by Ferrari. So your point that Mercedes and their customer teams have only voted for their own advantage is flawed.
It's clear that, despite claims to the contrary, F1 teams will only vote for things that give them a perceived advantage - or at the very least eliminate another team's advantage.

In this case, the point is that all 3 Mercedes powered teams, and one Ferrari powered team, are pushing for this change in aero regulations.
So surely the factor to consider is the aero - not who has the best PU. It would seem that those 4 teams involved feel that they want to eliminate other team's aero advantage(s).

Why only those 4 teams? Red Bull and McLaren claim the best chassis - perhaps Mercedes see RBR and McLaren as a genuine threat, and likewise with Sauber/FI/Williams view of STR?

I would definitely prefer to see discussion of the reasons behind the decision here - as opposed to throwing insults at other members - unless you are saying that the cause for the decline in Mercedes dominance is due to crank balancing?
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