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Old 29 Mar 2004, 01:52 (Ref:922433)   #1
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good and bad

Bar is a pleasent suprise this year and is in the hunt for points. Mybe Honda is getting their act together.

I thought at the end of last year Toyota was starting to show some progress but for all the money they have invested it looks pretty bad so far.
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Old 29 Mar 2004, 04:54 (Ref:922496)   #2
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Toyota will get much better in the coming years now Mike Gascoyne's on board.
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Old 29 Mar 2004, 07:08 (Ref:922544)   #3
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It's a hope, KB; they said the same thing when John Barnard got to Ferrari...
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Old 29 Mar 2004, 11:06 (Ref:922685)   #4
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I hope get no better - I enjoy seeing big companies spend lots of money and end up looking stupid. Unfortunately, given their record in other championships, they will simply complain and attemtps to ge the rules changed if they don't succeed.

BAR have indeed been very impressive - Jenson getting that podium was a defiante highlight of the first 2 races, adn I'm sure there's more to come.
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Old 29 Mar 2004, 12:56 (Ref:922826)   #5
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they will simply complain and attemtps to ge the rules changed if they don't succeed.
Well they truly belong in F1. As this is what all the teams in presently in it are like.
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Old 29 Mar 2004, 13:04 (Ref:922833)   #6
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It's a hope, KB; they said the same thing when John Barnard got to Ferrari...
:confused: Ferrari's fortunes did take an upturn when he went there. Narrowly missing out on the title in 1990 and claiming 6 wins that year. A far cry from the mid '80s just before he joined.

Anyway, back to topic. BAR are talking positively about every aspect of their program. They seem convinced they are on the right track. Of course their main concern has to be Renaults upgrades that come on-line early in the European season and if McLaren sort themselves out. However, no doubt, BAR will keep making progress too.

Toyota. A very disapointing start to the year, but I still think that they will move up the grid...
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Old 29 Mar 2004, 13:22 (Ref:922856)   #7
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Well they truly belong in F1. As this is what all the teams in presently in it are like.
Quite.
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Old 29 Mar 2004, 14:21 (Ref:922901)   #8
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I should have kept record of all the people that were thrashing BAR and saying Toyota would destroy them. I dont want to gloat but it seems that people would rather listen to the media and "those in the know" that look at numbers. BAR was making huge steps in the end of last season and was clearly being let down by tires that were designed for another car. Its debatable that Honda now has a top three motor and watching the onboard vids of the BAR drivers it seems the car handles pretty well too.

Toyota has a poor reputation in competition. Yes they have many wins but there is scandal behind many of them too.

Hopefully this is one of the last times I see BAR Honda and Toyota mentioned in the same post. IOW, I would much rather to see Ferrari, Renault, Williams etc. mentioned. Toyota claims they will have a "new" car for the European season. Their season will effectively begin when the spec B car hits the track. If BAR can achieve the continuity needed to make a great car, I dont feel a spec B or a new Renault/Toyota should be a threat in 05.

Ferrari is the target. Those behind BAR should be looking at them, not the other way around.
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Old 29 Mar 2004, 14:27 (Ref:922907)   #9
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:confused: Ferrari's fortunes did take an upturn when he went there. Narrowly missing out on the title in 1990 and claiming 6 wins that year. A far cry from the mid '80s just before he joined.
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It's not the right therad to discuss it, but it's very arguable that the magic parenthesis of 1990 was due to Barnard's arrival.
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Old 29 Mar 2004, 14:45 (Ref:922924)   #10
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BAR's new attitude.

http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=26572&s=5


BAR is not pulling any punches. They for once are not being "wishy washy". DR, if nothing else has given this team attitude and confidence. I love it.

Toyota, on the other hand tries so hard to hide their arrogance. They say things like "We hope to get points"... ...makes me sick. We all know they expect it but were just saying that because if they came out of the gates really poorly they would not look like asses.

http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=46453

This also illustrates my point. BAR is on a mission. This is the attitude of a winner. I remember people accusing DR, JB and the rest of the BAR team of being arrogant and disillusioned. Now they look like they may actually know what they are talking about.

No, I am not predicting anything cause we know anything can happen in racing. However, the teams attitude is remarkable.
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Re: BAR's new attitude.

I know that you don't like Toyota neil, but i don't understand you! Jenson has justified previous comments about getting a podium, but his quote below could be seen as a little arrogant.......


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But when a team (that you don't like, incidently) says that it "hopes to get some points" it's arrogent, whilst BAR/Jenson are not pulling any punches? :confused:

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Toyota, on the other hand tries so hard to hide their arrogance. They say things like "We hope to get points"... ...makes me sick.
What do you expect them to say? We hope to win this season? Well, they are not in a position too, and the only position they are in are to hopefully score points, which is what they have stated.
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Old 29 Mar 2004, 15:03 (Ref:922941)   #14
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Watch you don't gloat too hard, Neil. Toyota will get it right soon enough, especially once Gascoine has had proper influence from the start of the car's design to the end (ie. next year). On the grounds that Gascoine's previous car, the Renault, is BAR's main rival now (even with a good ten per cent engine power defecit) I have to assume that the new cars from your least favourite team will be far better. For this season enjoy it, because whether you like it or not Toyota will be up there scoring podiums sooner than you think.
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Old 29 Mar 2004, 15:24 (Ref:922954)   #15
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(even with a good ten per cent engine power defecit)
I highly doubt there is a 10% power gap. Clearly there is some engine gap from Renault to the top teams, but 10% would be 80+hp...
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