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Old 7 Feb 2024, 02:30 (Ref:4195447)   #201
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Old 7 Feb 2024, 02:50 (Ref:4195449)   #202
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Id like to congratulate AA for setting a world record for their ability to willfully step around the elephant in the room....
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Old 7 Feb 2024, 03:13 (Ref:4195453)   #203
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Personality clash?
It happens.
This makes the most sense.

Excluding drivers, Erebus only lost one employee from last season. Definitely doesn't paint the picture of a toxic environment.

My guess is Barry expects the most from those who are paid the most. Not sure the modern race car driver would appreciate that....
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Old 7 Feb 2024, 04:19 (Ref:4195458)   #204
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The odd part.. is that there doesn’t seem to be a mass exodus of techogumby oily bits touchers out of this squad. If it was wholly and solely a negative effluent show every single day, wouldn’t they be looking to escape, especially being more than marketable with a title under their belts…
Given that Barry Ryan's style is almost directly from The Fox via Larry Perkins, you'd think the spanner twirlers would cop the worst of his bluntness...

Very old school.

I think Roland Dane is really the same philosophically but without the swearing.
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Old 7 Feb 2024, 04:42 (Ref:4195459)   #205
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Roland seems to suggest it's a toxic workplace issue
Their driver "turnover" list would suggest he is on the money.
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Their driver "turnover" list would suggest he is on the money.
What turnover?

Reynolds left 3 teams under a cloud.

ADP and Will Brown left for AAA teams but Betty should not have let Will walk out of his contract.

If she had not. We wouldn't be here today.
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Old 7 Feb 2024, 07:14 (Ref:4195465)   #207
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What turnover?

Reynolds left 3 teams under a cloud.

ADP and Will Brown left for AAA teams but Betty should not have let Will walk out of his contract.

If she had not. We wouldn't be here today.

Please !

So your suggesting theres nothing to see here? Ok then.
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Given that Barry Ryan's style is almost directly from The Fox via Larry Perkins, you'd think the spanner twirlers would cop the worst of his bluntness...

Very old school.

I think Roland Dane is really the same philosophically but without the swearing.
Crew Chief Dennis Huijser walked out mid season a couple of years back. I wouldn't have thought Dennis would have done that lightly.

I remember Erebus having a bad run with their pitstops a few years back. At one meeting Ryan decided to vent to the TV. Throwing his crew under the bus. (classy) It would have been great sitting in your pit licking your wounds only to hear the team boss putting the boot into you on live TV.

A good man manager would never have done what he did. He took no responsibility for any of the problems himself. He should have been making sure the teams training was fit for purpose. Also making sure that the team members were all up to working under that pressure, not everyone is. A good manager would recognise if someone was struggling and putting themselves under too much pressure. You can see if guys are getting that 1000 yard stare. That mindset is going to have you rushing your job straight away. An experienced manager will look for this and take steps to calm that member down. A small calming chat before the stop tell him to just slow it down and take his time, keep it clean. But no, you bag your crew out on live TV. I think he hinted at heads could roll. Ryan shoots from the lip and struggles to control his emotions.
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Argue with the facts.

There is no major exceptional exodus of drivers from Erebus, period.

Still, there would be no dispute now if Betty didn't let Will walk on his contract.

She should have made him stay or made someone buy out his contract, as is standard practice.

I doubt anybody at Scentre group is walking away from valid contracts when they get a better offer.
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Exactly the same thing happened at Team 18 after Bathurst. 2 staff out the door immediately after.

If a preventable mistake happens the buck has to stop with someone. Strong leadership means there is consequences for well paid people in positions of authority , like in any business
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Exactly the same thing happened at Team 18 after Bathurst. 2 staff out the door immediately after.

If a preventable mistake happens the buck has to stop with someone. Strong leadership means there is consequences for well paid people in positions of authority , like in any business
That was a different situation which is incompetents at a higher level. The pit crew were mostly young guys on average wages. There was no excuse for what he did. You don't air your dirty laundry like that. You keep that kind of thing in house. You don't bag out your staff on live TV. And when you are part of the pit crew as car controller.
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Old 7 Feb 2024, 09:06 (Ref:4195499)   #213
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I think Mix meant no exodus of "good" drivers. Mid level steerers being churned and burned in the search for the "one" seems to have worked.... until the poachers circled
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I think Mix meant no exodus of "good" drivers. Mid level steerers being churned and burned in the search for the "one" seems to have worked.... until the poachers circled
Must be doing the same thing with their sponsors this year. Must have some better ones coming.
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Must be doing the same thing with their sponsors this year. Must have some better ones coming.
When a sponsor joins a team with 2 young, marketable drivers and the team owner let's one walk out, ****ing off the other one, how happy would the sponsor be?
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The $64,000 question is what is the underlying issue? While the natural assumption based on previous history is a falling out with the CEO, could it be something else? A disagreement on a contract extension or the ability to pursue drives in other categories, or being refused permission to talk to Triple 8 while his team mate was allowed to?
Follow the money.
Shaw & Partners were first out the door.

Klimenko & Kostecki share Ukrainian heritage, is there a linkage beyond Supercars?

We are more likely to find the answers in the Fin Review that the motorsport media with V8Sleuth 'closest to the pin' so far.
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Both Brodie and Will were said to be in the running for the 888 seat.

Both reportedly asked for a release but Will got released and Brodie didn't.

Apparently this was then the cause of an altercation between Barry Ryan and Brodie after Tailem Bend.
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#1 isn’t available… maybe they can switch to #01
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New Number For Erebus At Bathurst 500

#1 isn’t available… maybe they can switch to #01
Funnily enough, no they can't...

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E1. COMPETITION NUMBERS, CAR SIGNAGE AND LIVERY
E1.1 Allocation and Register
1.1.1 The allocation of Competition Numbers is at the sole discretion of Supercars.
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until the Team advises Supercars that it no longer requires the Competition Number.
1.1.4 It is not permitted to use a Competition Number starting with the number ‘0’.
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Workplace bullying, which is probably likely the end state charge [against Christian Horner], is virtually impossible to refute when the burden of proof is that it is reasonably possible for the other person to take offence from an action or words or behaviours. Even if every other person in the same room did not take those events inside the same context.

Implications are enormous... either way Mr Horner has now been tarred with a brush that people in his business dont usually come back from.

Its kind of a big deal
Aren't allegations against Barry Ryan, 10x worse and far more ongoing? That doesn't make sense for it to be a big deal for Horner but trivial for Ryan?
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So, is the thread title misleading or is he really out of the team

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Aren't allegations against Barry Ryan, 10x worse and far more ongoing? That doesn't make sense for it to be a big deal for Horner but trivial for Ryan?
Red Bull are apparently taking notice of the complaint and taking immediate amd no doubt expensive action to have the complaint reviewed and actioned by professionals in the area of expertise.

Erebus told V8Supercar.
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