New SUVs - Page 12

crmalcolm · 2 Sep 2019, 08:18 (Ref:3925357)

Cupra Tavascan

'Named after a ski resort near the French border in Catalonia, the Tavascan is said to marry “the presence of an SUV with the sleekness of a sports coupé” and showcases the evolution of Cupra design as it moves further away from its parent company, Seat. ' - should this car be in the Coupe thread?

**BertMk2** · 2 Sep 2019, 12:06 (Ref:3925385)

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.. should this car be in the Coupe thread?

No. It should be in the "reject folder".

Also I don't think anyone with eyes would describe that hulking great turd as 'sleek'.

crmalcolm · 2 Sep 2019, 12:24 (Ref:3925392)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

No. It should be in the "reject folder".

Also I don't think anyone with eyes would describe that hulking great turd as 'sleek'.

If you are not a fan of the taller SUV-styled Coupes, then don't be so shy in criticising!

They are obviously popular in some circles, enough so that since the X6 they have been introduced into a lot of manufacturer's ranges:

RR Sport SVR
Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio
Porsche Macan S
Audi SQ7
Maserati Levante S GranSport
Mercedes-AMG GLC S
BMW X4
Lamborghini Urus
Mercedes-AMG GLE coupe
Toyota C-HR

Can they all be wrong?

**BertMk2** · 2 Sep 2019, 14:04 (Ref:3925405)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

If you are not a fan of the taller SUV-styled Coupes, then don't be so shy in criticising!

They are obviously popular in some circles, enough so that since the X6 they have been introduced into a lot of manufacturer's ranges:

RR Sport SVR
Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio
Porsche Macan S
Audi SQ7
Maserati Levante S GranSport
Mercedes-AMG GLC S
BMW X4
Lamborghini Urus
Mercedes-AMG GLE coupe
Toyota C-HR

All hideous

Not only that - some of those are

all over the heritage of the marque - Lambo SUV? No. Porsche SUV? Really? No.

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Can they all be wrong?

Yes. Depressingly enough, yes they can.

crmalcolm · 2 Sep 2019, 14:23 (Ref:3925408)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

Not only that - some of those are

all over the heritage of the marque - Lambo SUV? No. Porsche SUV? Really? No.

I personally am not a fan of the coupe-styled SUV, and struggle to see their relevance.
But - the numbers tell us different so I guess we'll just have to put up with them for a few years yet......

Trying to explain to the boards of Lamborghini or Porsche that they do not need an SUV seems like we'd be

whilst the orders keep coming in?

crmalcolm · 2 Sep 2019, 14:33 (Ref:3925412)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

all over the heritage of the marque - Lambo SUV? No.

**BertMk2** · 2 Sep 2019, 14:52 (Ref:3925416)

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Oooh - that's incredible! Why haven't we all seen thousands of those?

Oh yeah - it's pig ugly and should never have existed

All this SUV nonsense just re-enforces my view that most people are morons.

Mike Harte · 2 Sep 2019, 16:28 (Ref:3925428)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

Oooh - that's incredible! Why haven't we all seen thousands of those?

Oh yeah - it's pig ugly and should never have existed

All this SUV nonsense just re-enforces my view that most people are morons.

Don't be coy, and beat around the bush. Tell us what you really think!

Alfaholic · 2 Sep 2019, 17:47 (Ref:3925440)

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Alfa Romeo Tonale

'The Tonale, which will compete in one of the market’s hottest segments, was only born as a concept last November, appearing at the Geneva show in March. The real thing will share a platform with the Jeep Renegade, both vehicles to offer a plug-in hybrid option. It’s not yet clear whether this is an all-new platform or a modification of the existing one'

But with the Stelvio not long released, what's the point? And what's the difference?

E.B · 2 Sep 2019, 17:59 (Ref:3925447)

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But with the Stelvio not long released, what's the point? And what's the difference?

Its an Alfa. I cant help myself, and I dont care.... 20 years since my third / (fourth if AlfaSuds count) and last Alfa (a '75' 3.0V6) and I am getting withdrawals

crmalcolm · 2 Sep 2019, 20:03 (Ref:3925458)

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Originally Posted by Alfaholic

But with the Stelvio not long released, what's the point? And what's the difference?

'It's set to arrive in showrooms at the end of next year as a challenger to the BMW X1 and Audi Q3.
The SUV, which will sit below the Alfa Stelvio in the firm’s range,'

Alfa's spokesperson: “We expect the Tonale to become our best-selling car. Combined with our other new products, we expect to have a car to suit the needs of around 80% of all European car buyers by 2024, and that puts Alfa in a much stronger position than today.”

Mike Bell · 3 Sep 2019, 04:32 (Ref:3925513)

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But with the Stelvio not long released, what's the point? And what's the difference?

It's a lot smaller, according to them.....

**BertMk2** · 3 Sep 2019, 08:25 (Ref:3925532)

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Originally Posted by E.B

Its an Alfa. I cant help myself, and I dont care.... 20 years since my third / (fourth if AlfaSuds count) and last Alfa (a '75' 3.0V6) and I am getting withdrawals

But it's not an Alfa - it's a Jeep in a better tailored suit.

It's also very much not what an Alfa should be.

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Alfa's spokesperson: “We expect the Tonale to become our best-selling car. Combined with our other new products, we expect to have a car to suit the needs of around 80% of all European car buyers by 2024, and that puts Alfa in a much stronger position than today.”

Their best seller - so they'll sell double figures?

crmalcolm · 3 Sep 2019, 08:48 (Ref:3925535)

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Their best seller - so they'll sell double figures?

The Stelvio is the 6th biggest selling car in the Premium midsized SUV segment in Europe. Behind the GLC, X3, XC60, Q5 and Disco Sport. Selling more in this segment than Jaguar, Porsche and Lexus.

When you compare this with the Premium compact SUV segment, where the 8th best seller (RR Evoque) moves more units than the 5th best in the midsized (Disco Sport) - then it makes absolute sense to build a model for this market.

The X1, X2, Q3, Q2, XC40, GLA, Countryman, Evoque, E-Pace and DS7 Crossback numbers are the right place for Alfa Romeo to be.

The midsized segment has shrunk 4% since 2018 to 260,552. The compact segment has grown 20% to 338,053.

Mike Bell · 3 Sep 2019, 09:49 (Ref:3925547)

In the last few years I’ve started to use the one word- ‘pointless’ to voice my opinion on certain cars I see on the roads.

The vehicle that started me off on it? BMW X6. Think that was followed by the Mini Paceman.....

There’s been quite a few more since!

**BertMk2** · 3 Sep 2019, 13:09 (Ref:3925587)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

In the last few years I’ve started to use the one word- ‘pointless’ to voice my opinion on certain cars I see on the roads.

The vehicle that started me off on it? BMW X6. Think that was followed by the Mini Paceman.....

There’s been quite a few more since!

I'm with you on this!

You need:

Super mini (eg: ka)
Small (eg: Fiesta)
Mid size (eg: Focus)
Large: (eg: Mondeo)

Throw in estate versions of the mid and large and maybe bung in a coupe. That's all you need. Anything else is 'pointless'.

NaBUru38 · 3 Sep 2019, 14:46 (Ref:3925612)

...And VW promises yet another compact SUV.

crmalcolm · 3 Sep 2019, 14:48 (Ref:3925613)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

I'm with you on this!

You need:

Super mini (eg: ka)
Small (eg: Fiesta)
Mid size (eg: Focus)
Large: (eg: Mondeo)

Throw in estate versions of the mid and large and maybe bung in a coupe. That's all you need. Anything else is 'pointless'.

I think have the solution to your motoring needs? - Lada or the Sachsenring range.

chillibowl · 3 Sep 2019, 15:13 (Ref:3925620)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

The vehicle that started me off on it? BMW X6.

interestingly enough, the new X6 is apparently so ugly they had to paint it in vantablack...a colour so dark that nearly 99% of light is absorbed by it rendering the car, including all of its ugly curves and contours, nearly invisible to the human eye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozq9dI1aZ94

Mike Bell · 3 Sep 2019, 17:13 (Ref:3925646)

Argh, my eyes! That grille....... couldn’t they have painted it as well?

Mike Harte · 3 Sep 2019, 17:47 (Ref:3925649)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Argh, my eyes! That grille....... couldn’t they have painted it as well?

And what's worse is that they have placed illumination lights in or behind it to make it a special feature!

Alfaholic · 3 Sep 2019, 17:59 (Ref:3925651)

They've turned it into the Disaster Area stunt ship (HHGTTG reference).

However I do applaud the safety aspect of having a car painted in the most stealthy finish ever running with DRLs

Mike Bell · 4 Sep 2019, 06:50 (Ref:3925710)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Cupra Tavascan

'Named after a ski resort near the French border in Catalonia, the Tavascan is said to marry “the presence of an SUV with the sleekness of a sports coupé” and showcases the evolution of Cupra design as it moves further away from its parent company, Seat. ' - should this car be in the Coupe thread?

It's getting difficult to know what is a show car to grab headlines, and what is a 'real' car! This is another EV concept designed around the VW MEB platform, however the interior pics are more 'production ready'. Could have 2 motors, 77Kwh battery and 280 mile range... Absolutely no mention of price anywhere!

Mike Bell · 4 Sep 2019, 06:55 (Ref:3925712)

Meanwhile, the new Land Rover Defender is days away from official launch, but one has been spotted on the next James Bond film set....

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/08/27/...ahbDzdTL8RKwy3

crmalcolm · 4 Sep 2019, 08:30 (Ref:3925725)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

It's getting difficult to know what is a show car to grab headlines, and what is a 'real' car! This is another EV concept designed around the VW MEB platform, however the interior pics are more 'production ready'. Could have 2 motors, 77Kwh battery and 280 mile range... Absolutely no mention of price anywhere!

Yes, the line between concept and pre-production appears to be increasingly blurred.

In another article, a bit more information is presented.
'On sale Mid-2020 | Price from £60,000 (est)'
'Although what you see here is a concept, the Tavascan is set to go into production next year with minimal changes. And if you want to stand out on the school run, its angular bodywork and coupé-inspired shape should be perfect. '

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