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Old 26 Mar 2019, 14:57 (Ref:3893506)   #4876
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That's the point though. The components are what makes the car. They all go through airflow tests to equalise them so the body basically just holds the subframes together which have the standard parts they are so used to. If it was all about data then the teams who have had the same car for the longest would be at the front. That isn't the case and of course we've seen many times a brand new car with hardly any testing running at the front right from the start.
Errrrr - no.

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the body basically just holds the subframes together
The body is a huge variable - width, wheelbase, stiffness for example all have a huge impact on how the car performs. The difference between the 1 Series and 3 Series used by WSR will be huge in terms of setup.

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If it was all about data then the teams who have had the same car for the longest would be at the front.
Nope. The oldest cars on the grid will have reached the end of their development cycle - there is nothing else to be had from those shells, no new gains to be had. Also as shells age they lose stiffness, years of accidents take their toll and the shells are as straight as they used to be. Also teams running the older cars tend to be those on a budget - so they run their components longer (for example Dynamics may fit new brakes for every session - whereas HARD don't) - that's part of the reason those drives cost more.

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of course we've seen many times a brand new car with hardly any testing running at the front right from the start.
Not really - without sufficient testing the teams are still evolving their setups during race weekends. We've seen this with Dynamics last season - it took them a while to get the FK8 competitive consistently, BMR took a while to get the Levorg on the pace.
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Old 26 Mar 2019, 15:50 (Ref:3893511)   #4877
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I have to admit I'm not sorry to see the 1 series go...to me, it was a car only a mother could love, even if it was very successful.
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Old 26 Mar 2019, 16:40 (Ref:3893519)   #4878
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^ and we still don't know if they were scrapped for parts for the 3 series or the do still exist

surelly the BMW museum should be interested in one (last year's title winner in traditional BMW colors is a no-brainer !! ) !! and maybe the Turkington family in another one
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Old 26 Mar 2019, 16:51 (Ref:3893521)   #4879
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People joke about the drivers revolving door at Team HARD but does the Bushell/Goff swap count as a driver change already?

What would happen if Goff hasn't got the funds for a full season, can they replace Goff?
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Old 26 Mar 2019, 16:53 (Ref:3893522)   #4880
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I have to admit I'm not sorry to see the 1 series go...to me, it was a car only a mother could love, even if it was very successful.
Still better looking that the new 3 series.....front end looks so un BMW like with the massive new kidney grills just makes it look cheap and tacky
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Old 26 Mar 2019, 17:47 (Ref:3893526)   #4881
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We've got a Fiesta ST in our "stable" and I'm amazed at the size of it compared to the old Mk3 Escorts etc. Hardly any difference in size.
Yeah, but (digressing slightly) aren't they fun to chuck around? I had a turn round Donington in the TOCA Fiesta ST safety car a couple of years back and it was properly quick
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Old 26 Mar 2019, 18:17 (Ref:3893529)   #4882
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Oh yes on the ST front. Very chuckable and very fun.

Those new BMW grilles seem to be an attempt to out-do Audi in the "****ing ugly as ****" front end competition. Maybe the designers of the cars have a bet with each other as to who can get the most hideous car signed off by their respective boards?
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Old 26 Mar 2019, 19:10 (Ref:3893539)   #4883
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I like the 3 Series. I always prefer BTCC Saloons over hatches.

I know the conversation has moved on, but Ginsters is possible the most touring car sponsor in the history of the BTCC. I love it.
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Old 26 Mar 2019, 19:15 (Ref:3893540)   #4884
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Also looks way better in Pirtek livery than BMW livery just like the 1 series did.
Usually the Pirtek livery is deemed to be one of the better entrants on the grid.
This year, I have to disagree though. The white and yellow patches don't seem to fit in with the rest of the scheme, and make it look a bit messy. It's as if they need those colours for another sponsor, which is not present.
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Old 26 Mar 2019, 20:45 (Ref:3893553)   #4885
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Usually the Pirtek livery is deemed to be one of the better entrants on the grid.
The white and yellow patches don't seem to fit in with the rest of the scheme, and make it look a bit messy. It's as if they need those colours for another sponsor, which is not present.
I didn't spot it at first, but compare the Pirtek livery with the two BMW cars. They are the same livery with the colours swapped. The yellow/white/red patches on the Pirtek car; red/dark blue/light blue on the BMWs.
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Old 26 Mar 2019, 21:01 (Ref:3893555)   #4886
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I didn't spot it at first, but compare the Pirtek livery with the two BMW cars. They are the same livery with the colours swapped. The yellow/white/red patches on the Pirtek car; red/dark blue/light blue on the BMWs.
I appreciate that, I just feel the red and blue work better against a light background. Even more so because they are 'M' colours.

Light on dark comes across more as a missing patch, and clashes with the red at the front.

(All just opinion, I'm sure others will like it).
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Old 27 Mar 2019, 00:17 (Ref:3893574)   #4887
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Old 27 Mar 2019, 00:53 (Ref:3893580)   #4888
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http://www.btcc.net/wp-content/uploa...Entry-list.png Full entry list has been published. Nothing really of note. Plato has changed car number to #11 from #99, Collard from #5 to #9 and Jelley from #60 to #12.
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Old 27 Mar 2019, 04:55 (Ref:3893600)   #4889
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They’re 385mm longer than the 1 series with a 161mm increase in wheelbase.
Interesting, but is that the road car or BTCC you’re talking about? If road, they’ll be able to lose most of the wheelbase extra in the regs. Body length not so important anyway.
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Old 27 Mar 2019, 07:24 (Ref:3893619)   #4890
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New MG6 liveries are superb, especially Osborne! Will stand out well!

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Old 27 Mar 2019, 07:58 (Ref:3893625)   #4891
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If road, they’ll be able to lose most of the wheelbase extra in the regs.
Not if they want the car to adhere to the regulations:

'Initial Bodyshell Set Up
Once you have chosen your base car you will need to locate the position for the front and rear ‘subframes’. This is determined by the layout of your chosen base vehicle, as the wheelbase of the race car must remain within the +/-10mm tolerance of the homologated road car figure.'
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Old 27 Mar 2019, 08:01 (Ref:3893627)   #4892
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^ and we still don't know if they were scrapped for parts for the 3 series or the do still exist
'The new 330i M Sport race car is based on the recently launched new model, but uses the underpinnings from the 125i M Sport cars WSR ran last year.'
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Old 27 Mar 2019, 08:04 (Ref:3893628)   #4893
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http://www.btcc.net/wp-content/uploa...Entry-list.png Full entry list has been published. Nothing really of note. Plato has changed car number to #11 from #99, Collard from #5 to #9 and Jelley from #60 to #12.
No Tesco backing. Tesco Momentum being 99 octane.

So is he now brought to us by the number 11? A bit like Sesame Street....
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Old 27 Mar 2019, 08:14 (Ref:3893630)   #4894
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Old 27 Mar 2019, 08:22 (Ref:3893632)   #4895
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No Tesco backing. Tesco Momentum being 99 octane.

So is he now brought to us by the number 11? A bit like Sesame Street....
Back to the Seat days with number 11.
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'The new 330i M Sport race car is based on the recently launched new model, but uses the underpinnings from the 125i M Sport cars WSR ran last year.'
That just means that the running gear is the same design as the 1-series, but then that's the point of NGTC. You could equally say that the new Corollla use the underpinnings from the MG6.

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^ and we still don't know if they were scrapped for parts for the 3 series or the do still exist
The NGTC front/rear sub-frames are designed to simply un-bolt, and teams regularly do that between meetings. Unless the shell has been cut up or crushed then the car is never really "scrapped". Even if those parts have been removed, it's not a huge amount of work to re-fit.
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Old 27 Mar 2019, 08:39 (Ref:3893639)   #4897
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Old 27 Mar 2019, 08:51 (Ref:3893645)   #4898
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That just means that the running gear is the same design as the 1-series, but then that's the point of NGTC. You could equally say that the new Corollla use the underpinnings from the MG6.
I read it as using the actual physical components that were in the 1 series, rather than the same design.
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