2019 TCR UK rumours and discussion

[touring fan01]

Originally Posted by redshoes

Other than FWD vs RWD, does NGTC actually give us greater diversity? NGTC is based around common components. Mechanically the only non-common component is the engine, and most teams chose to use the generic option for that. Strip off the bodywork and they are all the same underneath.

a lot of your argument is the same in tcr. every audi, vw and seat is much the same car under the bodywork.

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by touring fan01

a lot of your argument is the same in tcr. every audi, vw and seat is much the same car under the bodywork.

Audi, VW and SEAT may be the same, but you can't say that for Opel or Honda or Hyundai or Alfa or etc etc. For NGTC, every car is the same (baring FWD/RWD)

[touring fan01]

Originally Posted by redshoes

Audi, VW and SEAT may be the same, but you can't say that for Opel or Honda or Hyundai or Alfa or etc etc. For NGTC, every car is the same (baring FWD/RWD)

yep. but I still don’t like no rwd

[btccbloke]

why not? surely its better to not have a cloud brewing about RWD advantages during the season?

[Mark0994]

Originally Posted by btccbloke

why not? surely its better to not have a cloud brewing about RWD advantages during the season?

Lotti and other managing directors of TCR don't wont RWD (and also diesel) cars, because of all headache it gave them during S2000 WTCC time.

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by Mark0994

Lotti and other managing directors of TCR don't wont RWD (and also diesel) cars, because of all headache it gave them during S2000 WTCC time.

exactly, so i dont understand the problem with not allowing it

[Johno.UK]

The vast majority of motorsport is rwd so I don't see an issue with having an fwd only series. It's only a matter of time before there aren't any rwd cars at the tcr size level anyway.

[Greem]

Originally Posted by Johno.UK

The vast majority of motorsport is rwd so I don't see an issue with having an fwd only series. It's only a matter of time before there aren't any rwd cars at the tcr size level anyway.

I love a statistical challenge!

I've taken the figures for this year's championships & series run by BARC, BRSCC, 750 Motor Club and MSV Racing and done a very rough analysis of them according to tech specs/series regs.

Of 101 of them, there's an almost exact 60/40 split between RWD & FWD (74 to 47). 20 of them allow both, 81 only allow one or the other. 54 are RWD only, 27 FWD only.

So in pure single-reg terms, it's a 67/33 split.

Majority yes, but not overwhelming... and I'm thanking my lucky stars it didn't end up being 52/48 at any point

[Johno.UK]

Ah but did I say UK motorsport?


That will keep you busy for a while.

[Sodemo]

Originally Posted by Mark0994

Lotti and other managing directors of TCR don't wont RWD (and also diesel) cars, because of all headache it gave them during S2000 WTCC time.

What headache?

I seem to recall much bellyaching about the Seat TDi but not much (if anything) about BMW and RWD. I know BMW used to moan about their 5 speed and the ratios they had to use compared to the FWD and their 6 speed sequentials, but surely that can't be it? However that was resolved by having to have the weight penalty for running a seq box, which meant if you had a FWD with a seq box and a RWD with a 5 speed, they were almost on the same weight as the RWD was heavier anyway, but for a long time they stuck with the 5 speed dog box and lower weight.

[touring fan01]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

What headache?

I seem to recall much bellyaching about the Seat TDi but not much (if anything) about BMW and RWD. I know BMW used to moan about their 5 speed and the ratios they had to use compared to the FWD and their 6 speed sequentials, but surely that can't be it? However that was resolved by having to have the weight penalty for running a seq box, which meant if you had a FWD with a seq box and a RWD with a 5 speed, they were almost on the same weight as the RWD was heavier anyway, but for a long time they stuck with the 5 speed dog box and lower weight.

and of course theres never any complaining in tcr about balance of performance

[medius]

41 days until 2019 season opener and is TCR UK in better shape than season 1? Its tough to tell.

Kent or Wilson for overall title? Presumably the overall champ will take the TCR UK Cup (for best "amateur") too?

[CroftPilgrim]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

To be brutally honest, I think the right ruleset got adopted. NGTC builds cost far more and I personally think the TCR cars are better engineered than the flip floppy NGTC cars.

NGTC regs are for a higher specification of touring car than TCR. I think that justifies a higher cost. We do talk about BTCC and TCR as if they are at an equivalent level on the motorsport ladder - but they are not! BTCC is quite justified in not lowering itself to an inferior specification.

Just some references here:

http://www.btcc.net/2014/12/04/fia-e...c-regulations/

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2015...w-tcn-2-class/

[Sodemo]

Originally Posted by CroftPilgrim

NGTC regs are for a higher specification of touring car than TCR. I think that justifies a higher cost. We do talk about BTCC and TCR as if they are at an equivalent level on the motorsport ladder - but they are not! BTCC is quite justified in not lowering itself to an inferior specification.

Just some references here:

http://www.btcc.net/2014/12/04/fia-e...c-regulations/

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2015...w-tcn-2-class/

What do you think makes TCR inferior exactly? The cars do pretty much the same lap times.

[touring fan01]

this is like groundhog day

who really cares what the technical difference is between the cars?
the point is that the BTCC with their ngtc regulations have been hugely successful in the uk and tcr just isnt

and thats really all there is to it

[porsche962fan]

and if those idiots in sweden only adopted NGTC when they had the chance


instead they got those stupid french Solution F silouttes and we all know how it turned out ...

[Alfisti]

So are there going to be more cars than I have fingers?

Or will it be a case of not enough cars to dish out 3 plastic trophies to after the race?

I attended a number of these meets out of hope - maybe it was morbid curiosity - but never again. Stand around and see 2 or 3 cars vaguely racing every minute and a bit plus some dodos with equivalent skill as me - i.e. none to speak of.

More entertaining watching a track day at the Nurburgring!

[Mark0994]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

What headache?

I seem to recall much bellyaching about the Seat TDi but not much (if anything) about BMW and RWD. I know BMW used to moan about their 5 speed and the ratios they had to use compared to the FWD and their 6 speed sequentials, but surely that can't be it? However that was resolved by having to have the weight penalty for running a seq box, which meant if you had a FWD with a seq box and a RWD with a 5 speed, they were almost on the same weight as the RWD was heavier anyway, but for a long time they stuck with the 5 speed dog box and lower weight.

Lotti said that in one interview if I remember correctly. That was when he presented TCR concept.
It was something that if BMW had bad weekend, they complained about FWD cars and vice versa. And situation become lot worse when they let SEAT run turbo diesel cars.

[Mark0994]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

and if those idiots in sweden only adopted NGTC when they had the chance


instead they got those stupid french Solution F silouttes and we all know how it turned out ...

I believe this is sarcasm, but I don't want members here to be angry at me but NGTC could only work in UK.
UK have rich motorsport history and no matter the cost you will always have lot of teams that want's to compete in UK top series.

Imagine they introduced NGTC for ETCC (instead of TCR), they wouldn't have 10 cars on grid...

[S griffin]

Well people have their own opinion, that’s what we are here for. NGTC is still doing well despite suggestions of other regulations coming in

And it’s gone so well we’ve got a good grid this season

You can’t compare it to TCR Europe

[medius]

Silverstone National, March 16th. Some marshals have had instructions from BRSCC for the following date regarding TCR UK. Media test day?

http://u.cubeupload.com/arcademygaz/FBIMG1552246269768.jpg

[geordiecriag101]

March 16th? Thats a Saturday and according to silverstone website there is no race or testing booked in for then. Might be worth a trip down to see whats going on.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by medius

Silverstone National, March 16th. Some marshals have had instructions from BRSCC for the following date regarding TCR UK. Media test day?

http://u.cubeupload.com/arcademygaz/FBIMG1552246269768.jpg

So that means with 5 days to go, we have 2 entries announced..?

[jsmee]

Could be another taster day?

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[medius]

Apparently it's a misprint on an unrelated BRSCC event. Shambles from top to bottom it seems.