[LM24] Le Mans 2023 Practice & Qualifying Thread

[joeb]

Originally Posted by kingers

I think the limited running for Porsche was to hide their ultimate pace... I might be wrong but it is a gut feeling. :P

And the plot thickens!

[Toyotats03OUS]

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...-le-mans-pole/

Interesting article.

Ferrari strategy was to be behind the toyota to benefit from the cars tow ( which according to Ferrari, paid off

The toyota were not able to mount an attack because they could not refuel or put new tires due to the hyperpole rules and the red flag.

[Adam43]

That might have helped a bit, but it doesn't explain the gap.
The session did play out well for Ferrari because of those reasons, but I think they would be on pole whatever.

Now the race could be a different matter...

[Adam43]

What this looks like after Thursday. Are you looking pretty in the predictions competition?

Hyperpole ACTUAL RESULT
3:22.982 Ferrari #50

Top Speed ACTUAL RESULT
343.4 kph Ferrari #50

Podium (based on hyper)
1. Ferrari #50 - NA laps
2. Ferrari #51
3. Toyota #8

GTE winner (based on hyper)
Corvette #33 (who else other than Keating was it going to be!)

For my predictions I was spot on top speed. I was too slow for pole time. And for the speed and the pole it was the wrong blummin' Ferrari.

Many many points still up for grab.

[jrc3]

would like to see the #33 corvette / Ben Keating win but its a long race. I don't give give the Cadillacs much of a chance unless the Toyota and Porsche break

[Adam43]

First proper table.

Let's start with who put the laps in.

Driver	Class	Team	Manufacturer	#	Laps
Bent VISCAAL	LMP2	Prema Racing	Oreca	9	65
Gabriel AUBRY	LMP2	Vector Sport	Oreca	10	61
Brendon HARTLEY	HYPERCAR	Toyota Gazoo Racing	Toyota	8	56
Romain DUMAS	HYPERCAR	Glickenhaus Racing	Glickenhaus	708	55
Matthieu VAXIVIERE	LMP2	Alpine Elf Team	Oreca	36	55
Giedo VAN DER GARDE	LMP2	Graff Racing	Oreca	39	54
Louis DELÉTRAZ	LMP2	Team WRT	Oreca	41	52
George KURTZ	LMP2	Algarve Pro Racing	Oreca	45	51
Ulysse DE PAUW	LMGTE Am	AF Corse	Ferrari	21	50
Takeshi KIMURA	LMGTE Am	Kessel Racing	Ferrari	57	50
Esteban GUTIERREZ	HYPERCAR	Glickenhaus Racing	Glickenhaus	709	50
Mirko BORTOLOTTI	LMP2	Prema Racing	Oreca	63	50
Filipe ALBUQUERQUE	LMP2	United Autosports	Oreca	22	50
Jose Maria LOPEZ	HYPERCAR	Toyota Gazoo Racing	Toyota	7	50
Michael CHRISTENSEN	HYPERCAR	Porsche Penske Motorsport	Porsche	5	49
Pietro FITTIPALDI	LMP2	JOTA	Oreca	28	49
Nico MÜLLER	HYPERCAR	Peugeot TotalEnergies	Peugeot	94	49
Valentin HASSE-CLOT	LMGTE Am	TF Sport	Aston Martin	72	49
Reshad DE GÉRUS	LMP2	COOL Racing	Oreca	47	48
Jens Reno MØLLER	LMGTE Am	GMB Motorsport	Aston Martin	55	48
Sébastien BUEMI	HYPERCAR	Toyota Gazoo Racing	Toyota	8	48
PJ HYETT	LMGTE Am	Project 1 - AO	Porsche	56	47
Mathieu JAMINET	HYPERCAR	Porsche Penske Motorsport	Porsche	75	47
Kamui KOBAYASHI	HYPERCAR	Toyota Gazoo Racing	Toyota	7	47
Job VAN UITERT	LMP2	Panis Racing	Oreca	65	47
Olli CALDWELL	LMP2	Alpine Elf Team	Oreca	35	46
Albert COSTA	LMP2	Inter Europol Competition	Oreca	34	46
Tom BLOMQVIST	LMP2	United Autosports	Oreca	23	46
Gustav BIRCH	LMGTE Am	GMB Motorsport	Aston Martin	55	46
Daniel SERRA	LMGTE Am	Kessel Racing	Ferrari	57	46
Michelle GATTING	LMGTE Am	Iron Dames	Porsche	85	45
Alessandro PIER GUIDI	HYPERCAR	Ferrari AF Corse	Ferrari	51	45
Mark KVAMME	LMP2	Inter Europol Competition	Oreca	32	45
Dane CAMERON	HYPERCAR	Porsche Penske Motorsport	Porsche	5	45
Yorikatsu TSUJIKO	LMGTE Am	Kessel Racing	Ferrari	74	45
Jan HEYLEN	LMGTE Am	Proton Competition	Porsche	16	44
Rui ANDRADE	LMP2	Team WRT	Oreca	41	44
Oliver JARVIS	LMP2	United Autosports	Oreca	23	44
Nicklas NIELSEN	HYPERCAR	Ferrari AF Corse	Ferrari	50	43
Simon MANN	LMGTE Am	AF Corse	Ferrari	21	43
Miguel MOLINA	HYPERCAR	Ferrari AF Corse	Ferrari	50	43
Davide RIGON	LMGTE Am	AF Corse	Ferrari	54	43
Luis PEREZ COMPANC	LMGTE Am	Richard Mille AF Corse	Ferrari	83	43
Colin BRAUN	LMP2	Algarve Pro Racing	Oreca	45	43
Christian RIED	LMGTE Am	Dempsey - Proton Racing	Porsche	77	43
Chandler HULL	LMGTE Am	Walkenhorst Motorsport	Ferrari	100	43
Antonio FUOCO	HYPERCAR	Ferrari AF Corse	Ferrari	50	43
Ahmad AL HARTHY	LMGTE Am	ORT by TF	Aston Martin	25	43
Mike CONWAY	HYPERCAR	Toyota Gazoo Racing	Toyota	7	42
Francesco CASTELLACCI	LMGTE Am	AF Corse	Ferrari	54	42
Scott HUFFAKER	LMGTE Am	Kessel Racing	Ferrari	57	42
Anders FJORDBACH	LMP2	Inter Europol Competition	Oreca	32	42
Benjamin BARKER	LMGTE Am	GR Racing	Porsche	86	42
William STEVENS	HYPERCAR	Hertz Team JOTA	Porsche	38	42
Simon PAGENAUD	LMP2	COOL Racing	Oreca	47	41
Roberto LACORTE	LMP2	Graff Racing	Oreca	39	41
Robert KUBICA	LMP2	Team WRT	Oreca	41	41
Nicky CATSBURG	LMGTE Am	Corvette Racing	Chevrolet	33	41
Thomas FLOHR	LMGTE Am	AF Corse	Ferrari	54	41
Naoki YOKOMIZO	LMGTE Am	Kessel Racing	Ferrari	74	40
Doriane PIN	LMP2	Prema Racing	Oreca	63	40
Kei COZZOLINO	LMGTE Am	Kessel Racing	Ferrari	74	40
Dries VANTHOOR	LMP2	Racing Team Turkey	Oreca	923	40
Lilou WADOUX	LMGTE Am	Richard Mille AF Corse	Ferrari	83	40
Earl BAMBER	HYPERCAR	Cadillac Racing	Cadillac	2	40
Julien CANAL	LMP2	Alpine Elf Team	Oreca	36	40
Rodrigo SALES	LMP2	Nielsen Racing	Oreca	14	40
Oliver RASMUSSEN	LMP2	JOTA	Oreca	28	40
Frederick LUBIN	LMP2	United Autosports	Oreca	22	40
Charles MILESI	LMP2	Alpine Elf Team	Oreca	36	40
Tom DILLMANN	HYPERCAR	Floyd Vanwall Racing Team	Vanwall	4	39
Jonas RIED	LMGTE Am	Proton Competition	Porsche	88	39
Neel JANI	LMP2	Duqueine Team	Oreca	30	39
David HEINEMEIER-HANSSON	LMP2	JOTA	Oreca	28	39
Daniil KVYAT	LMP2	Prema Racing	Oreca	63	39
André NEGRÃO	LMP2	Alpine Elf Team	Oreca	35	39
Andrew HARYANTO	LMGTE Am	Walkenhorst Motorsport	Ferrari	100	39
Mathias BECHE	LMP2	Nielsen Racing	Oreca	14	39
Martin RUMP	LMGTE Am	Proton Competition	Porsche	911	39
Michael WAINWRIGHT	LMGTE Am	GR Racing	Porsche	86	38
Scott DIXON	HYPERCAR	Cadillac Racing	Cadillac	3	38
Ryan CULLEN	LMP2	Vector Sport	Oreca	10	38
James ALLEN	LMP2	Algarve Pro Racing	Oreca	45	38
Filip UGRAN	LMP2	Prema Racing	Oreca	9	38
Luis Felipe DERANI	HYPERCAR	Action Express Racing	Cadillac	311	38
Arnold ROBIN	LMGTE Am	TF Sport	Aston Martin	72	38
Julien ANDLAUER	LMGTE Am	Dempsey - Proton Racing	Porsche	77	38
Tijmen VAN DER HELM	LMP2	Panis Racing	Oreca	65	38
Malthe JAKOBSEN	LMP2	COOL Racing	Oreca	37	38
Tom VAN ROMPUY	LMP2	DKR Engineering	Oreca	43	37
Salih YOLUC	LMP2	Racing Team Turkey	Oreca	923	37
Alessio ROVERA	LMGTE Am	Richard Mille AF Corse	Ferrari	83	37
Mikkel JENSEN	HYPERCAR	Peugeot TotalEnergies	Peugeot	93	37
Maxime ROBIN	LMGTE Am	TF Sport	Aston Martin	72	37
Juan Manuel CORREA	LMP2	Prema Racing	Oreca	9	37
Ben KEATING	LMGTE Am	Corvette Racing	Chevrolet	33	37
Ryan BRISCOE	HYPERCAR	Glickenhaus Racing	Glickenhaus	708	37
Tom GAMBLE	LMP2	Racing Team Turkey	Oreca	923	36
Esteban GUERRIERI	HYPERCAR	Floyd Vanwall Racing Team	Vanwall	4	36
Michael DINAN	LMGTE Am	ORT by TF	Aston Martin	25	36
Michael FASSBENDER	LMGTE Am	Proton Competition	Porsche	911	36
Paul Loup CHATIN	LMP2	IDEC Sport	Oreca	48	36
Norman NATO	LMP2	AF Corse	Oreca	80	36
Donald YOUNT	LMGTE Am	Proton Competition	Porsche	88	36
Claudio SCHIAVONI	LMGTE Am	Iron Lynx	Porsche	60	36
Vladislav LOMKO	LMP2	COOL Racing	Oreca	47	36
Matteo CRESSONI	LMGTE Am	Iron Lynx	Porsche	60	36
Antonio GIOVINAZZI	HYPERCAR	Ferrari AF Corse	Ferrari	51	36
Nicolas PINO	LMP2	Duqueine Team	Oreca	30	35
Jack AITKEN	HYPERCAR	Action Express Racing	Cadillac	311	35
Alex RIBERAS	LMGTE Am	Northwest AMR	Aston Martin	98	35
Maxime MARTIN	LMP2	DKR Engineering	Oreca	43	35
Ugo DE WILDE	LMP2	DKR Engineering	Oreca	43	35
Ryan HARDWICK	LMGTE Am	Proton Competition	Porsche	16	35
Ferdinand HABSBURG	LMP2	Team WRT	Oreca	31	35
Memo ROJAS	LMP2	Alpine Elf Team	Oreca	35	35
Antonio Felix DA COSTA	HYPERCAR	Hertz Team JOTA	Porsche	38	35
Manuel MALDONADO	LMP2	Panis Racing	Oreca	65	35
Jeffrey SEGAL	LMGTE Am	Walkenhorst Motorsport	Ferrari	100	34
Fabio SCHERER	LMP2	Inter Europol Competition	Oreca	34	34
Nathanaël BERTHON	HYPERCAR	Glickenhaus Racing	Glickenhaus	709	34
Nicolas LAPIERRE	LMP2	COOL Racing	Oreca	37	34
Yifei YE	HYPERCAR	Hertz Team JOTA	Porsche	38	34
Frédéric MAKOWIECKI	HYPERCAR	Porsche Penske Motorsport	Porsche	5	34
Louis PRETTE	LMGTE Am	JMW Motorsport	Ferrari	66	34
Riccardo PERA	LMGTE Am	GR Racing	Porsche	86	33
Laurents HÖRR	LMP2	IDEC Sport	Oreca	48	33
Kévin ESTRE	HYPERCAR	Porsche Penske Motorsport	Porsche	6	33
Felipe NASR	HYPERCAR	Porsche Penske Motorsport	Porsche	75	33
Ben BARNICOAT	LMP2	AF Corse	Oreca	80	33
André LOTTERER	HYPERCAR	Porsche Penske Motorsport	Porsche	6	33
Alessio PICARIELLO	LMGTE Am	Iron Lynx	Porsche	60	33
Harry TINCKNELL	LMGTE Am	Proton Competition	Porsche	88	33
Laurens VANTHOOR	HYPERCAR	Porsche Penske Motorsport	Porsche	6	33
Philip HANSON	LMP2	United Autosports	Oreca	22	33
Paul LAFARGUE	LMP2	IDEC Sport	Oreca	48	33
Loïc DUVAL	HYPERCAR	Peugeot TotalEnergies	Peugeot	94	33
Rahel FREY	LMGTE Am	Iron Dames	Porsche	85	33
Paul DI RESTA	HYPERCAR	Peugeot TotalEnergies	Peugeot	93	32
Ryo HIRAKAWA	HYPERCAR	Toyota Gazoo Racing	Toyota	8	32
Nicolas VARRONE	LMGTE Am	Corvette Racing	Chevrolet	33	32
Franck MAILLEUX	HYPERCAR	Glickenhaus Racing	Glickenhaus	709	32
Sarah BOVY	LMGTE Am	Iron Dames	Porsche	85	32
Sébastien BOURDAIS	HYPERCAR	Cadillac Racing	Cadillac	3	32
François PERRODO	LMP2	AF Corse	Oreca	80	32
Matthias KAISER	LMP2	Vector Sport	Oreca	10	32
Jean-Éric VERGNE	HYPERCAR	Peugeot TotalEnergies	Peugeot	93	32
Marco SØRENSEN	LMGTE Am	GMB Motorsport	Aston Martin	55	32
Richard WESTBROOK	HYPERCAR	Cadillac Racing	Cadillac	2	31
Nicholas TANDY	HYPERCAR	Porsche Penske Motorsport	Porsche	75	31
Joshua PIERSON	LMP2	United Autosports	Oreca	23	31
Alexander SIMS	HYPERCAR	Action Express Racing	Cadillac	311	31
Julien PIGUET	LMGTE Am	AF Corse	Ferrari	21	31
Gunnar JEANNETTE	LMGTE Am	Project 1 - AO	Porsche	56	31
Matteo CAIROLI	LMGTE Am	Project 1 - AO	Porsche	56	31
Sean GELAEL	LMP2	Team WRT	Oreca	31	31
James CALADO	HYPERCAR	Ferrari AF Corse	Ferrari	51	31
René BINDER	LMP2	Duqueine Team	Oreca	30	30
Ben HANLEY	LMP2	Nielsen Racing	Oreca	14	30
Daniel MANCINELLI	LMGTE Am	Northwest AMR	Aston Martin	98	30
Tristan VAUTIER	HYPERCAR	Floyd Vanwall Racing Team	Vanwall	4	29
Alexandre COIGNY	LMP2	COOL Racing	Oreca	37	29
Jimmie JOHNSON	INNOVATIVE CAR	Hendrick Motorsports	Chevrolet	24	29
Steven THOMAS	LMP2	Tower Motorsports	Oreca	13	29
Richard LIETZ	LMGTE Am	Proton Competition	Porsche	911	28
Ian JAMES	LMGTE Am	Northwest AMR	Aston Martin	98	28
Jenson BUTTON	INNOVATIVE CAR	Hendrick Motorsports	Chevrolet	24	28
Zacharie ROBICHON	LMGTE Am	Proton Competition	Porsche	16	28
Robin FRIJNS	LMP2	Team WRT	Oreca	31	28
Charlie EASTWOOD	LMGTE Am	ORT by TF	Aston Martin	25	27
Jakub SMIECHOWSKI	LMP2	Inter Europol Competition	Oreca	34	27
René RAST	LMP2	Tower Motorsports	Oreca	13	27
Gustavo MENEZES	HYPERCAR	Peugeot TotalEnergies	Peugeot	94	26
Thomas NEUBAUER	LMGTE Am	JMW Motorsport	Ferrari	66	25
Giacomo PETROBELLI	LMGTE Am	JMW Motorsport	Ferrari	66	25
Mikkel PEDERSEN	LMGTE Am	Dempsey - Proton Racing	Porsche	77	24
Patrick PILET	LMP2	Graff Racing	Oreca	39	22
Jan MAGNUSSEN	LMP2	Inter Europol Competition	Oreca	32	22
Alex LYNN	HYPERCAR	Cadillac Racing	Cadillac	2	21
Renger VAN DER ZANDE	HYPERCAR	Cadillac Racing	Cadillac	3	20
Mike ROCKENFELLER	INNOVATIVE CAR	Hendrick Motorsports	Chevrolet	24	20
Olivier PLA	HYPERCAR	Glickenhaus Racing	Glickenhaus	708	19
Ricky TAYLOR	LMP2	Tower Motorsports	Oreca	13	17
Satoshi HOSHINO	LMGTE Am	D'Station Racing	Aston Martin	777	14
Tomonobu FUJII	LMGTE Am	D'Station Racing	Aston Martin	777	8
Casper STEVENSON	LMGTE Am	D'Station Racing	Aston Martin	777	5
Total					6925

I'm going to have a moan here. The timing data changed Gustav DAHLMANN BIRCH to Gustav BIRCH on Thursday, so briefly it looked like there were 187 drivers! Maintain your data people! There is no wonder BoP is such a shambles :Laugh:

FWIW Gustav BIRCH was faster than Gustav DAHLMANN BIRCH!

Most of these drivers will do many more laps than this in the race. Wow.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by jrc3

would like to see the #33 corvette / Ben Keating win but its a long race. I don't give give the Cadillacs much of a chance unless the Toyota and Porsche break

I'd like it too. Although there are many cars I'd like to do it (in all classes). I'm supporting the Irons too.

[TWRv12]

Originally Posted by tomcug

There you go:
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...avril_2023.pdf

Thank you

[Adam43]

I think that is it isn't it? No other classes? Oh yes there is one. I did that in the NASCAR returns thread.

[TWRv12]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

Odd? C'on! Did you ever tried to HTPed an historic race car? Its something in a man's life!
I hope this wont be the kind of message displayed on the screens of the team responsibles (worse case, drivers!) : 14)Track limits •Please acquaint yourselves with the text of Chapter IV Appendix L, especially concerning driving standards and respect of the track limits

So many documents but no answers... was trying to see if there was anything more on the white line in front of pitwall... Meyrick got the blame and a three grid space drop

[Adam43]

Average Lap time

Rank	Car	Fastest	Top 20	Top 40	Top 60	Laps
1	7 Toyota	3:24.267	3:27.778	3:28.899	3:29.656	139
2	8 Toyota	3:24.451	3:27.952	3:28.970	3:29.786	136
3	50 Ferrari	3:22.982	3:27.421	3:29.109	3:30.482	129
4	51 Ferrari	3:23.478	3:27.791	3:29.156	3:30.244	112
5	6 Porsche	3:26.900	3:28.871	3:29.975	3:31.773	99
6	93 Peugeot	3:27.148	3:29.057	3:30.114	3:31.332	101
7	75 Porsche	3:24.531	3:28.918	3:30.130	3:31.087	111
8	5 Porsche	3:25.176	3:28.921	3:30.204	3:31.168	128
9	311 Cadillac	3:27.960	3:29.470	3:30.401	3:31.808	104
10	2 Cadillac	3:25.170	3:28.950	3:30.612	3:32.798	92
11	38 Porsche	3:27.927	3:29.941	3:31.058	3:32.409	111
12	3 Cadillac	3:24.908	3:29.507	3:31.174	3:33.359	90
13	94 Peugeot	3:27.820	3:30.247	3:31.466	3:32.893	108
14	708 Glickenhaus	3:28.497	3:30.517	3:31.546	3:32.773	111
15	709 Glickenhaus	3:28.278	3:30.369	3:31.664	3:33.214	116
16	4 Vanwall	3:29.745	3:32.425	3:34.163	3:36.017	104

Ranked by Top 40. Look at the Ferrari and Toyota. BOPOMG!

(BTW not sure Top 60 is a good comparison, many cars didn't get 60 representative laps in)

Note: you see the same effect as in LMP2 - the quick laps in Q are much quicker than practice.

We have a top 2. Toyota and Ferrari.

Porsche, Caddy, and some sneaky Peugeot laps, make up the next group and are all close.

Glickenhaus isn't a million miles from the bottom of that group. A strong reliable run and they are still on for a good result. They seem to be benefitting from just getting more running.

Vanwall. Hasn't got that many fast laps in. Hmmmm.

For the comparison charts I've compared those three groups (Top 40 average).

For the first group I've put all 4 cars in it. It demonstrates what is going on in the table. Ferrari owned qualifying. Toyota have put more race pace fast laps in so far.

Second group I chose the fastest of each in the Top 40 and added the fastest in hyperpole if different. Again a pretty close group (not as close as Toyota and Ferrari, but close).

Last group are the small manufacturers / non-hybrids. Glickenhaus is faster than Vanwall. And they haven't done as many fast laps as the others - the drop off is quicker - less consistent?

[Adam43]

In some of the team threads I have posted some driver comparisons. I am not saw how useful these are. There isn't that much data for each driver. It could potentially be improved by removing Q, but even then there aren't many laps and it is effected by the when people were running.

The race ones end up bein ga bit better. Of course the range of conditions can still cause problems, but you get a lot more laps that a Top 20 tends to be a nice comparison.

Also I split out the LMP2 and GTE practice rankings as an excuse to start dedicated threads on these classes. And to add to the excitement they have polls!

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by TWRv12

So many documents but no answers... was trying to see if there was anything more on the white line in front of pitwall... Meyrick got the blame and a three grid space drop

Mainly, penalties in time are given live. Sometimes, driver and/or team must go to the RC and explain…… Sorry, they have to go and listen. And better keep their mouth shut. Really few possibilities to appeal against any decision. Often written in the rules…

[greenmachinets040]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Average Lap time
Ranked by Top 40. Look at the Ferrari and Toyota. BOPOMG!

(BTW not sure Top 60 is a good comparison, many cars didn't get 60 representative laps in)

Note: you see the same effect as in LMP2 - the quick laps in Q are much quicker than practice.

We have a top 2. Toyota and Ferrari.

Porsche, Caddy, and some sneaky Peugeot laps, make up the next group and are all close.

Glickenhaus isn't a million miles from the bottom of that group. A strong reliable run and they are still on for a good result. They seem to be benefitting from just getting more running.

Vanwall. Hasn't got that many fast laps in. Hmmmm.

For the comparison charts I've compared those three groups (Top 40 average).

For the first group I've put all 4 cars in it. It demonstrates what is going on in the table. Ferrari owned qualifying. Toyota have put more race pace fast laps in so far.

Second group I chose the fastest of each in the Top 40 and added the fastest in hyperpole if different. Again a pretty close group (not as close as Toyota and Ferrari, but close).

Last group are the small manufacturers / non-hybrids. Glickenhaus is faster than Vanwall. And they haven't done as many fast laps as the others - the drop off is quicker - less consistent?

Once again thank you for the thorough comparison!! You spared us a whole lotta time!


Yes, that is what I also saw regarding average laptimes. Toyota is ahead, albeit by not too much.


Pitstops will be a very important factor. Who makes mistakes and so on.


Reliability? Possible driver errors? Weather? It would be very interesting.


We do not know how Ferrari would cope with wet conditions. At Spa they were not too convincing. I still feel the First 8 hours will be the deciding factor...who can stay alive in the rain??

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by greenmachinets040

We do not know how Ferrari would cope with wet conditions. At Spa they were not too convincing.

They have to cope with the regulations regarding tires and suspension settings. As to communication, it seems that someone belonging to a Porsche team was not too happy with some on-board images. Video deleted from YT… What was obvious is that the 963 is demanding for its driver in the straight at least, suspension travel seems limited to says the least. And they are about to launch the new road going hypercar:https://fr.motor1.com/news/662117/po...ipiration-963/
Stiff as they are today, it will be quite a challenge to keep a 963 on a wet road. Unless they can do something remotely…

[greenmachinets040]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

They have to cope with the regulations regarding tires and suspension settings. As to communication, it seems that someone belonging to a Porsche team was not too happy with some on-board images. Video deleted from YT… What was obvious is that the 963 is demanding for its driver in the straight at least, suspension travel seems limited to says the least. And they are about to launch the new road going hypercar:https://fr.motor1.com/news/662117/po...ipiration-963/
Stiff as they are today, it will be quite a challenge to keep a 963 on a wet road. Unless they can do something remotely…

Thank you for your info!

[Sodemo]

How does the aero work on these hypercars? I know the aero platform is set by regulation, but is there then an adjustment they can do for setup, so is there a low med and high wing setting they can adjust or is it totally homologated and unadjustable like a 90s supertourer?

[Gerard C]

Onlyonebodyworkmaybehomologated.Onlyonebodyworkadjustableaerodynamicdevice(suchasawing,flap...)maybeused.Whateverthepositionofthisdevice,thecarmustfullfilltheaerodynamiccriteriadefinedintheAppendixestotheseRegulationsatalltimes.Incaseacombinedmulti?wingisproposedastheadjustableaerodynamicdevice,relativeadjustmentbetweenthewingelementsisnotallowed.Movableand/ordeformablebodyworkparts/elementsareforbiddenwhenthecarisinmotion
See here: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...2022.12.08.pdf
Good reading…

[justracing]

Skipping through those regulations it would seem that only one aero adjustment is permitted either to the rear wing or other body part, surely a number of competitors have different complete front bodywork which incorporates variations in aero with winglets, etc? If this is the case in makes nonsense of the regulation that only one bodywork configuration can be homologated?

[PhilipR]

Le Mans Cup seems to be wreckfests!

[Sodemo]

The forecast for Saturday looks dire. Lots of safety car laps mepredicts!

[greenmachinets040]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

The forecast for Saturday looks dire. Lots of safety car laps mepredicts!

Safety cars and I go further, red flag is also the possibility. The amount of rain predicted is pretty big.

[v8supes]

Ive seen some nonsense in my time but the end of the Le Mans Cup race is up there.

Team WRT 46 driven by Rossi and 31 running 2nd and 3rd in the GT Class 8 seconds back from the leading #51 Ferrari and all of a sudden on the last lap the #51 Ferrari gets a drive through penalty for "Erratic driving" (Err.... Hes not battling anyone?). Guess who wins? Guess what the headline story is all over the Le Mans socials.....

[N Martin]

Originally Posted by PhilipR

Le Mans Cup seems to be wreckfests!

Yea very poor driving standards in both races.

[PhilipR]

Originally Posted by v8supes

Ive seen some nonsense in my time but the end of the Le Mans Cup race is up there.

Team WRT 46 driven by Rossi and 31 running 2nd and 3rd in the GT Class 8 seconds back from the leading #51 Ferrari and all of a sudden on the last lap the #51 Ferrari gets a drive through penalty for "Erratic driving" (Err.... Hes not battling anyone?). Guess who wins? Guess what the headline story is all over the Le Mans socials.....

Was it not there another issue with the Ferrari like a pit stop issue? That car went from nowhere to 2nd overall after pit stops with timed stops