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Old 25 Jun 2024, 13:08 (Ref:4216892)   #126
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Where as Mike is a retired club racer... I'm a current one. And none of this experience is irrelevant. The guys in the BTCC and us Clubbies have to follow exact same track rules. Sporting regs may differ between series... But the only really difference between me and a BTCC driver... is how much money we bring to the table, (and maybe talent as well)
It is irrelevant because he series don't play to the same rules. This has been seen year-after-year. You can accept the BTCC does it their way or not, but it's not going to change.
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Old 25 Jun 2024, 13:19 (Ref:4216893)   #127
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It is irrelevant because he series don't play to the same rules. This has been seen year-after-year. You can accept the BTCC does it their way or not, but it's not going to change.

That may be the case for specific rules, but if different rules or the interpretation of such rules are to be applied, they must be included in the rule set that TOCA publish, and only after they have been approved by Motorsport UK.

Otherwise, MSUK as an affiliate of the FIA has to abide by worldwide rules, and TOCA similarly has to abide by the MSUK rules.
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Old 25 Jun 2024, 13:20 (Ref:4216894)   #128
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What I find "hard to understand" is why you think Jake Hill benefitted from this perceived "unfair advantage"? So please explain how he benefitted? He made a mistake, lost two places. How did he gain an "unfair advantage" from this? How did it affect the race result?





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Old 25 Jun 2024, 16:53 (Ref:4216908)   #129
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Someone who is better acquainted with the rules may be able to answer this, but I always thought that if a driver even unintentionally drives even a few feet of the extension of a track, such as at Island Bend where it carries on to Shell Oils hairpin, then the driver must keep going up to to end before coming back and re-joining at the exit of the Island Bend. I thought that I have seen this done in previous years.

I ask because in race 1, Hill locked up completely and had travelled at least a car's length onto the track extension before he drove over the grass before re-joining Island Bend.

I think that that was taking an unfair advantage over all the other drivers in that race.
That’s never been a RULE as such. Many times people have gone down the escape road at that hairpin and have rejoined the normal way. I think Someone did the full loop one year but I believe that was due to a brake problem so probably unable to slow down enough to actually turn around. Defiantly no advantage gained by locking up and loosing two places and even if it was a rule it would be a nightmare to police at certain tracks like brands hatch onto the GP loop for example or Donington Melbourne loop.
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Old 25 Jun 2024, 17:57 (Ref:4216911)   #130
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That’s never been a RULE as such. Many times people have gone down the escape road at that hairpin and have rejoined the normal way. I think Someone did the full loop one year but I believe that was due to a brake problem so probably unable to slow down enough to actually turn around. Defiantly no advantage gained by locking up and loosing two places and even if it was a rule it would be a nightmare to police at certain tracks like brands hatch onto the GP loop for example or Donington Melbourne loop.

Could be worse - wouldn't want to have a wee lock up on the 2nd last corner at the Nurburgring GP circuit.
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Old 25 Jun 2024, 20:02 (Ref:4216920)   #131
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It is irrelevant because he series don't play to the same rules. This has been seen year-after-year. You can accept the BTCC does it their way or not, but it's not going to change.
Go get your race license. Attend a few events see if btcc played by their own rules or not.

I think you will be surprised.
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Old 25 Jun 2024, 20:28 (Ref:4216923)   #132
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Did anyone else spot Sam Osbourne suffered the same that Ash previously had, namely his Focus tried to gas him?

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As the dust settles on Oulton Park, I just thought I’d give you a little explanation as to what happened in Race 3, we got caught up in some drama and ended up with some damage, which broke the exhaust, that then had a knock on effect and started melting the very important wiring in the car, which started to fill the car with fumes ? as to which I made the all important decision to park her up! Which finished our race ??
Seems like the Focii are engineered to the limit with no buffer zone built in and doesn't take much to push them beyond it (see the flapping bodywork this season).
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Old 25 Jun 2024, 21:01 (Ref:4216926)   #133
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Go get your race license. Attend a few events see if btcc played by their own rules or not.

I think you will be surprised.

You aren't the only one on here who has raced before you know
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Old 26 Jun 2024, 08:48 (Ref:4216946)   #134
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Did anyone else spot Sam Osbourne suffered the same that Ash previously had, namely his Focus tried to gas him?

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Seems like the Focii are engineered to the limit with no buffer zone built in and doesn't take much to push them beyond it (see the flapping bodywork this season).



The Toyota's started the flapping bodywork saga earlier this year. Easy to say now but NAPA should have picked up on the forthcoming issue then, it has cost Sutton a lot of points.



All cars are enginered to the limit otherwise they are not racing cars. Again NAPA should be looking at the cars layout , you do not put wiring anywhere near any car exhaust !!
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Old 27 Jun 2024, 09:36 (Ref:4217023)   #135
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It's a thing with that Focus that the rear bodywork around the rear wheel arch has that join where it meets the body work from the side. I don't think any other car has that join in the centre of the arch.

I have a feeling that job #1 for the team over the summer is to redesign it so that join/weak point isn't there.
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Old 27 Jun 2024, 10:31 (Ref:4217026)   #136
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It's a thing with that Focus that the rear bodywork around the rear wheel arch has that join where it meets the body work from the side. I don't think any other car has that join in the centre of the arch.

I have a feeling that job #1 for the team over the summer is to redesign it so that join/weak point isn't there.
Looks like they have attached the wheel arch extension to the bumper, hence when they bang wheels the bumper is effected. I would assume splitting the arch extension would disturb the airflow around the arch.
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Old 28 Jun 2024, 00:03 (Ref:4217086)   #137
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You aren't the only one on here who has raced before you know
No doubt. But I haven't raced before. I actually still race and hold a current licence. All Motorsports UK accredited series have to adhere to the same base rules on circuits. Regardless of whether you are a top line series like the BTCC or 750 hot hatch championship. We ALL have to follow the blue book. If you had a licence and done the test you would know that.

Yes the championship sporting regs are different across each one. But when it comes to anything safety/circuit related its all the same.
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Old 28 Jun 2024, 09:14 (Ref:4217113)   #138
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Looks like they have attached the wheel arch extension to the bumper, hence when they bang wheels the bumper is effected. I would assume splitting the arch extension would disturb the airflow around the arch.
If the arch was one piece how would the rear door open?
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Old 28 Jun 2024, 14:42 (Ref:4217142)   #139
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If the arch was one piece how would the rear door open?
I asked Dan about the Arch during the week and as he said it’s not totally straight forward.

Is it fixed too well so doesn’t detach

I’m sure they will sort in break

Also Dan was never instructed to attempt to remove the fairing , it was a pass for position.
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Old 28 Jun 2024, 15:35 (Ref:4217145)   #140
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Ash said in Autosport he was just letting Dan past because he was pitting.
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Old 28 Jun 2024, 17:27 (Ref:4217156)   #141
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Ash said in Autosport he was just letting Dan past because he was pitting.
Sorry , it was a pass to take the position not an attempt to knock of the bodywork .. I forgot how pedantic this thread is.

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Old 29 Jun 2024, 12:23 (Ref:4217206)   #142
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I don't think teams would risk further damage like that. But Alliance need to work harder to make sure these things don't happen again
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Old 1 Jul 2024, 08:18 (Ref:4217469)   #143
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You aren't the only one on here who has raced before you know
Seems like some don't pay attention in the briefings though. I'd be curious to know which blue book regulations they think don't apply to the BTCC?
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