Vettel (DEU) vs Webber (AUS) part 3

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Vettel owns Webber.

Truest post i've read so far in 2011

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by Marbot

It's early days yet, and it's entirely possible that Vettel may have to try and overtake something tomorrow.

That's entirely possible.

But Mark starts behind Lewis and we all know what happened when he tried to overtake Lewis last year

[OZ_HCR32]

Originally Posted by Marbot

It's early days yet, and it's entirely possible that Vettel may have to try and overtake something tomorrow.

Hoping Vettel can alay some concerns by actually racing Lewis and pulling an overtanke move on the McLaren. I cant recall a race win where he has overtaken a car...other then Malaysia last year where Webber left the door open for him into the first corner.

My fear isnt a big gap between the two, its just another tardy start to a season where Webber always seems to need 3 races to get some wing in his sail

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by OZ_HCR32

My fear isnt a big gap between the two, its just another tardy start to a season where Webber always seems to need 3 races to get some wing in his sail

Problem for Mark is that he's never been that far off Vettel's pace at the start of a season IIRC?

[OZ_HCR32]

There has been sneaks of light and daylight a few times before:

Hungary ; Vettel 1:18.773 and Webber 1:19.184
Monaco ; Webber 1:13.826 and Vetel 1:14.227
German ; Vettel 1:13.791 and Webber 1:14.347

But what proves my point mostly is:
Bahrain 2010: Vettel 1:54.101 and Webber 1:55.284

Webber just never finds his feet first race out. I was hoping with an off season of rest and relaxation and focussing on prep for the new season rather then operations he may have been able to turn the tide....but...

It is only quali, and looking out my window rain clouds still loom s the two seater cuts some laps this morning

[deeks6]

Originally Posted by Mr V

That's entirely possible.

But Mark starts behind Lewis and we all know what happened when he tried to overtake Lewis last year

Just great planning by Webber in Qualy ... he will simply sit and wait for Crash Hamilton to try and overtake Vettel and take them both out like he always does when he tries to pass (or the other way around). Webber wont try a move on Crash because he knows that he will just get cut off and risk a DNF. Hamilton simply cannot race with other cars without causing an accidfent. Vettel is similar but the chances are he will be a mile in front and he does that well.
If not, Webber can just wait for Crash to fry his tyres (like he always does with his silly overdriving style) and cruise on by.
Button is the bigger threat because he actually has some intelligence.

[JeremySmith]

Let's face it Lewis Hamilton should not be let near a F1 car..

[dsg]

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

Let's face it Lewis Hamilton should not be let near a F1 car..

That's not true. Just like Webber he is entertaining.

[Knowlesy]

Deeks.

Jesus.

[Super Hans]

Originally Posted by deeks6

Just great planning by Webber in Qualy ... he will simply sit and wait for Crash Hamilton to try and overtake Vettel and take them both out like he always does when he tries to pass (or the other way around). Webber wont try a move on Crash because he knows that he will just get cut off and risk a DNF. Hamilton simply cannot race with other cars without causing an accidfent. Vettel is similar but the chances are he will be a mile in front and he does that well.
If not, Webber can just wait for Crash to fry his tyres (like he always does with his silly overdriving style) and cruise on by.
Button is the bigger threat because he actually has some intelligence.

What happened in Australia last year? Oh, I remember. Webber drove right into the back of 'Crash'!

[ralf fan]

Deeks with another embarrassing attempt at winding up I see.

Anyway, Webber then. Pretty much owned by Vettel.

[Knowlesy]

Webber to Renault?

Driver swap with Petrov?

[rustyinsthoz]

Vettel did Webber easily today. I get the feeling that there will be a bigger gap between the two this year than last. As for the team favouring Vettel, there is nothing wrong with that as he has now established himself as clearly the better driver. Webber looked quite miserable the whole weekend. Webber should just concentrate on doing the best job for the team and himself, instead of trying to beat Vettel.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by deeks6

Just great planning by Webber in Qualy ... he will simply sit and wait for Crash Hamilton to try and overtake Vettel and take them both out like he always does when he tries to pass (or the other way around). Webber wont try a move on Crash because he knows that he will just get cut off and risk a DNF. Hamilton simply cannot race with other cars without causing an accidfent. Vettel is similar but the chances are he will be a mile in front and he does that well.
If not, Webber can just wait for Crash to fry his tyres (like he always does with his silly overdriving style) and cruise on by.
Button is the bigger threat because he actually has some intelligence.

Obviously not so much great planning by Mark then

[stripedcat]

Vettel has huge confidence now. I think that Webber is going to have a very tough time this year to keep up with him. Last year he did manage to take the battle to Vettel with some stunning races, particularly his back to back Spain and Monaco wins, at least until the last final few races.

[Marbot]

Webber looked totally bewildered when being interviewed. He looked to be driving a different car out there today.

[Mr V]

I do wonder if, after Seb's success last year, he has raised his game to a level that Mark is not likely to cope with and that's why he looked so shocked yesterday after quali?

[St00ge]

Something is a miss, I call bullshiat on seb suddenly gaining 1sec pretty much over webberBBQ over the off season.. I have no dramas admitting Vettel can whip out the quicker lap but there I find it hard to believe he can have nearly one second per lap quicker plus one less set of boots over a gp in the same RB7..

anyone have a pic of both Webbers and Vettels front wing flexing at the same point of the track

[Paradise City]

Firstly, I do think Vettel is faster than Webber and Vettel has matured and you would see this if they had equal cars.

However I think the media storm over Vettel getting better treatment has strengthened Vettel big time. It may very well have caused the team to gather around Vettel more than was the case before.

I can see Webber's straight-talkin' manner to the media last year wrecking his relationship with the team. Bravely disguising injuries will impress the Australians, it won't impress the Austrians. All this builds up overtime.

[Adam43]

deeks, oh dear, you're better than that.

[St00ge]

Originally Posted by Paradise City

Firstly, I do think Vettel is faster than Webber and Vettel has matured and you would see this if they had equal cars.
.

but do you think he is that good that he has pretty much gained 1 sec a lap over webber since Abu Dabi Dui under race conditions??

I admit wookie has proven to be quicker but pretty much one second a lap while saving a set of tyres in the same car consistently over a wekeend is a pretty big step up from a gap of tenths and hundredths of a second last year...

[E.B]

What was with Mark not doing a slowdown lap, but just stopping at the pit exit and getting out of the car before walking away? Busting for a pee? Or having trouble with getting to grips and the relative performances of Seb and himself over the weekend?

He certainly seemed less than happy and even by his own miserable look standards we have seen so often before with Mark..... this was as despondent and miserable as I have seen him look since he 'celebrated' his first podium at Monaco 2005.

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by E.B

What was with Mark not doing a slowdown lap, but just stopping at the pit exit and getting out of the car before walking away? Busting for a pee? Or having trouble with getting to grips and the relative performances of Seb and himself over the weekend?

He certainly seemed less than happy and even by his own miserable look standards we have seen so often before with Mark..... this was as despondent and miserable as I have seen him look since he 'celebrated' his first podium at Monaco 2005.

This seemed a strange thing to do to me too. Considering how many races the engines and transmissions have to last for, switching it off and walking away straight after the chequer just didn't seem that sensible a move.
Maybe once we know the mitigating circumstances we'll understand?
(Plus, as I'd considered one reason could have been that he was desperately low on fuel, and therefore probably light, he stopped knowing he wouldn't make the whole slowing / cooling down lap. Wasn't there a rule made in the last few years that cars must complete this lap under their own power? Or have I just made that up in my head?)

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by St00ge

but do you think he is that good that he has pretty much gained 1 sec a lap over webber since Abu Dabi Dui under race conditions??

Webber couldn't explain it so either Seb had the measure of Mark comfortably or Red Bull are screwing him over, but would they do that to the detriment of 2nd place in the race and 8 extra constructors points? I don't think so.

[Super Hans]

The problem is the pressure Mark puts on himself. He's a competitor and is desperate to prove he's on a par with Vettel, but he isn't. At McLaren, Hamilton is quicker than Button, but Button doesn't seem to get eaten-up worrying about it. He just does his thing, does a great job for the team and occasionally comes out on top.