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Old 26 Jan 2018, 14:55 (Ref:3795271)   #126
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Such a shame that IMSA has to use the abbreviated name for Ferdinand Zvonimir Maria Balthus Keith Michael Otto Antal Bahnam Leonhard von Habsburg in Timing & Scoring....
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 15:49 (Ref:3795275)   #127
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So Mazda found an issue with the #55 engine and are swapping that out as well.
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 15:59 (Ref:3795277)   #128
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Even with Joest, AER's stuff is still junk. He's probably wishing he was still with a program with Audi or Porsche.
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 16:27 (Ref:3795279)   #129
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Even with Joest, AER's stuff is still junk. He's probably wishing he was still with a program with Audi or Porsche.
Maybe I'm too pessimist by my nature, buy guys I still can't believe why so many of you here thought that AER engine would become suddenly reliable because of joest team...

Joest isn't an engine tuner; they are quite skilled about logistic, team managment and surely have a great engineering know how, but make engine isn't their job.
That AER l4 has a terrible heritage made by blown engines.... guess the only reason, mazda keeps on using that motor is because should be extremely cheap....
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 18:04 (Ref:3795295)   #130
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Blame Mazda for not finding a different engine supplier or doing it in house.
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 20:08 (Ref:3795304)   #131
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 20:31 (Ref:3795309)   #132
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Such a shame that IMSA has to use the abbreviated name for Ferdinand Zvonimir Maria Balthus Keith Michael Otto Antal Bahnam Leonhard von Habsburg in Timing & Scoring....
The RLM guys were talking about how they'd have to start half a lap before the end to reel off the full name if he actually took the flag to win the race...

...forgetting how he binned it at the last corner in Macau FROM the lead.
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 21:16 (Ref:3795315)   #133
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 21:43 (Ref:3795320)   #134
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I honestly think AER is getting unfairly crapped on here. They're not the best in the business, sure, but they've made a many a reliable engine in the past(they even for a time made one of the best LMP2/675 engine), and don't forget that this is an evolution of the same engine gave Dyson Racing an ALMS LMP1 championship while producing a similar amount of power.

Yeah, the issues with the engine have been quite significant, but it's certainly unfair to act like it's impossible for AER to fix the problem. Their history shows them to be plenty capable of handling the task.

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Old 26 Jan 2018, 23:47 (Ref:3795336)   #135
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And the 77 Mazda will not make this session. Found something in an engine data log that they didn't like? What could that be?
Yeah, they found it was a Mazda
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 23:59 (Ref:3795337)   #136
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Lando Norris being pretty blunt in his assessment of the Ligier:

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"So nothing seems to be really working. Straight-line speed we're down on everyone else, and I don't think it's because of the engine, but the aerokit seems quite inefficient. We're struggling a lot with the car in the first sector with traction and over the bumps.

"It's going to be very difficult," he said. "Mentally it will be draining, because some of the other cars will be able to just drive around relaxed, when even when we're not pushing, we're sliding out of the corners. For 24 hours of constantly being on top of the car and having to concentrate 100 percent throughout the whole race is going to be tougher than [in] some of the other cars.
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Old 27 Jan 2018, 00:17 (Ref:3795339)   #137
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The Ligiers has been struggling since day one. I don't know why the Nissan are going better, maybe the weight of the turbo v6 helps on the traction.

BAR1 reduced crew to four drivers. I think it will help, because five drivers trying to know a car doesn't help.
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Old 27 Jan 2018, 04:28 (Ref:3795362)   #138
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The Ligiers has been struggling since day one. I don't know why the Nissan are going better, maybe the weight of the turbo v6 helps on the traction.

BAR1 reduced crew to four drivers. I think it will help, because five drivers trying to know a car doesn't help.
I was thinking about this yesterday because I'm a massive geek. The aero kit is slightly different, there are even some small differences around the side pods. Mostly I'm wondering what effect the wing/nose thingy is having.
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Old 27 Jan 2018, 04:44 (Ref:3795363)   #139
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Surprise Surprise, the engine in the #77 needed to be changed. Not even Joest can cover up the AER mess.
Let's be honest, we all knew what the problem was from the picture, didn't we?

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I honestly think AER is getting unfairly crapped on here. They're not the best in the business, sure, but they've made a many a reliable engine in the past(they even for a time made one of the best LMP2/675 engine), and don't forget that this is an evolution of the same engine gave Dyson Racing an ALMS LMP1 championship while producing a similar amount of power.

Yeah, the issues with the engine have been quite significant, but it's certainly unfair to act like it's impossible for AER to fix the problem. Their history shows them to be plenty capable of handling the task.
I disagree. If you remember, the AER turbo-4 prior to the MZR-R series (MG badged) was very explody too. The V8s were pretty reliable and could be time machines on occasion but the 4s have been unreliable for a long, long time now.
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Old 27 Jan 2018, 08:34 (Ref:3795375)   #140
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The Ligiers has been struggling since day one. I don't know why the Nissan are going better, maybe the weight of the turbo v6 helps on the traction.

BAR1 reduced crew to four drivers. I think it will help, because five drivers trying to know a car doesn't help.
Well, ligier isn't so down to top speed.... until qualifying it was 192.9mph for ligiers and 193-194mph for others (but riley of course).
The problem is how ligier reaches this top speed.... while oreca is in sprint bodywork, ligier is in full low drag and lack of downforce is critical in S1.

About sprint bodywork, oreca guess is still the best, but ligier and dallara close.
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Old 27 Jan 2018, 12:56 (Ref:3795402)   #141
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I disagree. If you remember, the AER turbo-4 prior to the MZR-R series (MG badged) was very explody too. The V8s were pretty reliable and could be time machines on occasion but the 4s have been unreliable for a long, long time now.
Well... Let's put it this way: Since 2000, AER has twp LMP2/675 wins at the 24 Hours of Le Mans: 2000 and 2006. None of them were with a V8(unsurprising since the V8 was their LMP1 engine). 2000 was with a Nissan-badged V6, 2006 was with an MG-badged I4, and two further podiums in the same period, both with the I4s.

Doesn't exactly paint the brightest of pictures, true, but keep in mind that up until 2008 pretty much all the LMP2/675 engines were very "explody" as you put it - including the offerings from Volkswagen, Peugeot, and Judd.

Judd engines nowadays are often treated by builders of unlimited class hillclimb cars in Europe the way American tuners love the LS, so we can see how this doesn't exactly speak poorly for a company's potential - it's just the way it was back then. Prior to 2008 it wasn't uncommon for third, and sometimes even SECOND, in LMP2/675 to be a DNF!

So their pre-MZR history isn't really any better or worse than their contemporaries in this field. But during the MZR era, well, prior to it's installation in the Riley/Multimatic Mk30 derived DPi, it didn't really have a lot of major reliability issues - even when they first went back to it after abandoning the diesel experiment. Speedsource made a lot of noise about cooling being a big part of the reliability problem, and both Joest and Mazda themselves have echoed this claim - if you look at the Racer.com tech tour video for the revised Mazda you'll notice a lot of talk about the changes made to cool the engine.

And let's not forget that AER is building the engines for the current batch of Indy Lights cars, which share the same basis. Though it's true that the Lights cars don't have to pump out near as much horsepower and they could sacrifice some aero efficiency for maximized cooling since everyone has the same car, it's still a significant piece of evidence that AER can, and has been, building good MZR derived engines.

Holy crap, that's some excessive rambling for one as tired as I am. I'll see you all in the afternoon. Race day has finally arrived!
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The ALMS LMP1 Championship they won, 3 out of the 4 cars had AER engines. It would've been more remarkable if they'd lost.
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Yup! Race Day!!!!

All weather sites have it as 10% chance of precip pretty much all afternoon with it jumping to 20 around 8 PM,then back down to around 10% again until 7 AM tomorrow, where it goes up to 20% and bounces around up to 60% by the race's end.

I've heard someone say, a 30% chance is a 100% of chance of deluge in FLA. Should make it an interesting last few hours if we get some wet/drying/dry/wet!
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Yup! Race Day!!!!

All weather sites have it as 10% chance of precip pretty much all afternoon with it jumping to 20 around 8 PM,then back down to around 10% again until 7 AM tomorrow, where it goes up to 20% and bounces around up to 60% by the race's end.

I've heard someone say, a 30% chance is a 100% of chance of deluge in FLA. Should make it an interesting last few hours if we get some wet/drying/dry/wet!
We are getting poored on right now, so how ever long it takes to get over there......


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I honestly think AER is getting unfairly crapped on here. They're not the best in the business, sure, but they've made a many a reliable engine in the past(they even for a time made one of the best LMP2/675 engine), and don't forget that this is an evolution of the same engine gave Dyson Racing an ALMS LMP1 championship while producing a similar amount of power.

Yeah, the issues with the engine have been quite significant, but it's certainly unfair to act like it's impossible for AER to fix the problem. Their history shows them to be plenty capable of handling the task.
Perhaps having the rest of the car running sweetly, with nothing breaking or falling off, has seen additional stress, and obvious focus on the powerplant

It would be doubtful that Mazda USA bringing Joest in at what we can only assume is a not insignificant cost, means they will do what is needed for the whole of their programs’ success.

4 rotor rotary instead anyone? :;
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It poors a lot in Louisiana.
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Ohh race day ! I brought an extra computer from work to have live timing at every room all the time.
I thought I was hardcore. Now I've realised that I can't get live timing in the kitchen, so you're way ahead of me.
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