[BTCC] BTCC 2020 season discussion, News and Rumours!

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by Heavyd123

Well, same could be said of the BMW’s at the start of the season....
People can clearly see when a car has an advantage.....

Yea but did BMW big the new car up or just get it out on track and let it do the talking? Surely if you've found the perfect NGTC car you don't go telling everyone beforehand how quick it's going to be

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Pickles

Yea but did BMW big the new car up or just get it out on track and let it do the talking? Surely if you've found the perfect NGTC car you don't go telling everyone beforehand how quick it's going to be

Does it matter?
Everyone else would see the performance, if you told them or not.
And I don't think the technical experts base their adjustments of a car on drivers' comments.

[MagicBoy]

Originally Posted by MagicBoy

Sutton could win in anything half decent. You might want to remove the blinkers and cast your mind back a few years to Ash and Cook in the MG 6.

So apparently Sutton went karting today. He'd never driven a shifter kart before : https://youtu.be/AT6xnU1WVmY?t=18801

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by MagicBoy

So apparently Sutton went karting today. He'd never driven a shifter kart before : https://youtu.be/AT6xnU1WVmY?t=18801

Except for when he drove one 2yrs ago.

https://twitter.com/ASuttonRacing/status/843449954173698048?s=19

(And every time before).

[CroftPilgrim]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Not quite.

The running gear is common, and the subframes start out as a common design.
To fit specific shells though, the ROPS is unique for each car.
The ROPS (and also the front/rear subframes I think) can 'age', and no matter what happens to the rest of the car, this will always deteriorate over time.

So as an example - NGTC-12-002 (an FK2) suffered heavy damage in early 2017. This chassis will now, even if rebuilt, not have the same rigidity of NGTC-18-004 (an FK8).

Not to mention that each car has a different wheelbase, width, length, weight, cog etc, which all make each model behave differently

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Does it matter?
Everyone else would see the performance, if you told them or not.
And I don't think the technical experts base their adjustments of a car on drivers' comments.

I realise that, just thinking that if I'd designed the perfect NGTC car I'd be letting everyone else figure out why it was so quick rather than telling them. Just like when any company comes up with an innovative new product they don't go sharing all the technical details with their competitors... Maybe its just me

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Pickles

I realise that, just thinking that if I'd designed the perfect NGTC car I'd be letting everyone else figure out why it was so quick rather than telling them. Just like when any company comes up with an innovative new product they don't go sharing all the technical details with their competitors... Maybe its just me

I guess some of that depends on the genesis of the entry.

A lot of the attention being drawn to the Subaru's 'perfectness' was designed to highlight features of the car that are (relatively) applicable to the road car.
The boxer engine and the aerodynamic efficiency were regularly referred to, features that appeal to Subaru buyers.

BMW's approach was subtly different - they had no need to explain 3-series benefits over the 1-series, because they still want to sell both models. So their focus would be on the wider BMW image, rather than the specifics of the car itself.

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I guess some of that depends on the genesis of the entry.

A lot of the attention being drawn to the Subaru's 'perfectness' was designed to highlight features of the car that are (relatively) applicable to the road car.
The boxer engine and the aerodynamic efficiency were regularly referred to, features that appeal to Subaru buyers.

BMW's approach was subtly different - they had no need to explain 3-series benefits over the 1-series, because they still want to sell both models. So their focus would be on the wider BMW image, rather than the specifics of the car itself.

Very good points Like I say, just something that I'd been thinking for a while, not saying I'm right but interested to hear others views.

[Johno.UK]

Originally Posted by Pickles

One point I've always wondered... Had BMR just built the Levorgs and raced them, without all the fanfares and JP crowing about the loophole they'd found and successfully exploited, how long would it have taken for everyone to catch on to the cars inherent advantages? Would the CoG arguments etc have even taken place?

I think it would be putting the abilities of the other engineers down to say they didn't realise well in advance the advantages that platform had. It was more of a case of whoever had the ability to get the deal done first.

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by Johno.UK

I think it would be putting the abilities of the other engineers down to say they didn't realise well in advance the advantages that platform had. It was more of a case of whoever had the ability to get the deal done first.

Yea, never thought of it like that

[S griffin]

I think Ash has shown he would be good in any series. He has been the only one to put the Scooby up there consistently for the past 3 seasons

[MagicBoy]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Except for when he drove one 2yrs ago.

https://twitter.com/ASuttonRacing/st...173698048?s=19

(And every time before).

I'm well aware he used to race karts when younger. The race organisers are stating he's not raced a super shifter before, so who am I to argue.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by MagicBoy

The race organisers are stating he's not raced a super shifter before, so who am I to argue.

I guess they forgot about the time two years ago he drove one!!

[MagicBoy]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I guess they forgot about the time two years ago he drove one!!

Drove, not raced.

Assuming it's the same kart. I'm not kart class expert.

[Johno.UK]

Originally Posted by MagicBoy

I'm well aware he used to race karts when younger. The race organisers are stating he's not raced a super shifter before, so who am I to argue.

Probably just publicists getting confused over what Ash said. He had never driven/tested that particular kart before so they probably assumed he had never driven a shifter kart before.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by MagicBoy

Drove, not raced.

Yes, that's what I said.

The IAME press release was written: Ash hadn’t even driven a Super Shifter until just a few weeks ago

It might be true that Ash hadn't raced a Super Shifter, but that's not what was claimed. Unless they wrote weeks when they meant years?

(Although I guess they're technically correct if you count 100 weeks as being a few)!

[porsche962fan]

wouldn't it be nice if James Turkington joins the grid

can't figure out any other occasion when brothers raced each other in BTCC

[RS67]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

wouldn't it be nice if James Turkington joins the grid

can' figure out any other occasion when brothers raced each other in BTCC

What about the James and Richard Kaye.

[Craner Curves]

Jeff and Aron Smith too....

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Jeff and Aron Smith too....

they never raced at same time

[jsmee]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

they never raced at same time

They're not brothers, and i'm pretty sure Craner Curves set you up there.

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[redshoes]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Jeff and Aron Smith too....

Ollie and Mat Jackson since then

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by redshoes

Ollie and Mat Jackson since then

They're not related

[Pickles]

Aron and Gavin Smith?

[jsmee]

Originally Posted by Pickles

Aron and Gavin Smith?

They are brothers, but check the history. They didnt race at the same time in BTCC.

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