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20 May 2003, 11:19 (Ref:604528)
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Should Firman be at Jordan or should Paffett be driving?
Considering Firman only beat Paffett to the Jordan drive because of money (according to strong rumours), does anyone think in hindsight it was a bad choice?
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20 May 2003, 11:27 (Ref:604539)
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Not if they needed the cash, no.
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20 May 2003, 11:30 (Ref:604547)
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No, it was the right chioce between those two, money or not.
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20 May 2003, 11:31 (Ref:604548)
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Although i'm sure that Paffett is a good driver, why swap them now, surely it would put them back at Jordan. Firman, although, obviously not as good as Fisi, has been running quite closely to him in the last few rounds and been on the verge of a point scoring place (as we saw in Spain) So now is not the time to swap them.
However, i don't see Firman in the Jordan (or F1 for that matter  ) next season.
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20 May 2003, 12:36 (Ref:604637)
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I wasn't suggesting changing mid season. I was saying in hindsight should Jordan have taken Paffett instead?
Lets face it, he has just won the very competitive German F3 championship, has had several VERY impressive F1 tests for McLaren and Firman, lets face it is a bit of a journeyman driver. Was it 6 years he took in Japan to win the Nippon series??!!! |
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20 May 2003, 12:40 (Ref:604646)
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Firman is not THAT bad, and is certainly far better than pay drivers we've seen in previous years. Give him a bit of time, he'll be a competent, solid driver, capable of producing strong, if not terrific results. He's driving style doesn't lend itself to F1 too much, and he's making a few mistakes in qualifying, but once he refines his driving and cuts the errors down, he'll be OK. Jordan needed the cash, with the cash came Firman. They're lucky it wasn't a Yoong, or a Mazzacane
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20 May 2003, 13:10 (Ref:604685)
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20 May 2003, 13:15 (Ref:604690)
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Firman's doing alright, for a new guy in F1 with the monetary problems Jordan have, i think he's going pretty well.
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20 May 2003, 13:16 (Ref:604691)
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Actually Sonic, McLaren said his feedback was exceptional considering his inexperience in Formula 1. He was only 1 sec off Raikkonen (with Gary on afull fuel load). They offered him a full time contract, but it was too restrictive on his future, so he looked elsewhere for a drive.
By the way, did you not read my last comment about Firman - it took him about 6 years to win in Nippon. Obviously it is him who is no good at feedback. P.s. A good driver (i.e. Raikkonen) can adapt quickly to different machinery. |
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20 May 2003, 13:16 (Ref:604693)
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At the start of the season, Paffett would have been worth testing agaisnt Firman, and seeing how they compared. Paffett may be the reigning German F3 champion and is certinaly talented, although his testing skill does leave a lot to be desired, but Firman won a tough UK F3 season in 1996, as well as Formula Nippon last year, a series which produced guys like Irvine, Takagi and Ralf.
Midseason, there is no reason for the change. Paffett could be coming in cold without experience of the car. Ralph has doen well recently, even outpacing Fisichella in Spain. He's got on with the task and is learning the craft. By the end of the season he should be well up to the job, and probably worth a gamble for 2004. |
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20 May 2003, 13:19 (Ref:604697)
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Boots - read my note at 13.32 about changing mid-season....
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20 May 2003, 14:11 (Ref:604783)
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I thought Firman did well at the weekend - he kept pace with Fisi, which says something.
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20 May 2003, 14:55 (Ref:604825)
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Gary Paffett is replacing Patrick Huisman in the Team Rosberg DTM Team 24h Service AMG Mercedes.
He will start his first race coming weekend at the Nürburgring in the blue Mercedes-Benz CLK-DTM with number 24. I hope he can have some good races. |
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20 May 2003, 15:05 (Ref:604843)
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I suppose the real question is "Should Firman or Paffett be driving at Jordan at all?" Someone like Junqueira (spelling) might be a better option?
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20 May 2003, 16:58 (Ref:604994)
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Drivers like Ralph Firman shouldnt be in F1, I would put money on his F1 career being short and without any success. I hate it when the teams pick an driver because of money, I know that a team like jordan needs all of the money it can get at the moment. It was a sad loss for Formula 1 when Eddie Irvine didnt get the Jordan drive.
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20 May 2003, 19:01 (Ref:605180)
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I think Paffett was always the better choice . As for Ralph getting points or near the points , isnt that more to do with the rule changes of points to 8th place more than actual race pace.
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20 May 2003, 19:16 (Ref:605195)
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Pay-drivers always made into F1. As long the small teams need more money, a vacant seat is offered to who pays more.
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20 May 2003, 20:19 (Ref:605252)
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I agree kimi020, Justin Wilson and Jos Verstappen shouldn't be in F1 either this season. In fact, lets get rid of all drivers that paid their way into Formula 1, starting with Michael Schumacher.
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20 May 2003, 20:24 (Ref:605255)
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frosty frosty frosty thats a very chilling attitude. you heard from fonz recently
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20 May 2003, 20:38 (Ref:605267)
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20 May 2003, 20:53 (Ref:605278)
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20 May 2003, 21:53 (Ref:605344)
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Yers, racingdick, but saying "I hate it when the teams pick an driver because of money" shows you don't understand what is going on here.
No one like the Alex Yoong's of this world, but if they keep the team going so we get proper talent in like Mark Webber, Fisichella and Michael Schumacher in the sport, then I reckon it's no bad thing. No word from Fonz of late. Mainly because I banned him and removed guest rights. He deserved it anyway. Putting up polls asking if the moderator of a board was doing the right thing to warn you is a very stupid thing to do, and I don't tolerate it. |
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20 May 2003, 21:57 (Ref:605350)
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20 May 2003, 22:18 (Ref:605371)
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Probably, but we're nearly out of bandwidth at the moment, so shh ;-)
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20 May 2003, 22:31 (Ref:605385)
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Maybe Paffet should trace his bloodline to find that long lost great uncle who was half-Irish.
It works for some athletes. |
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