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Old 1 Feb 2021, 12:11 (Ref:4032773)   #46
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Maybe it wasn’t so bad, but it was clear it needed a rejig, the BSCC seemed to be no longer relevant. Yes we’ve had some dark times since, but the series has always bounced. We have a lot to look back on since the days of the BSCC and now the BTCC
Come to think about it, I guess I only started my review-watching with the 1987 season (Tim Harvey's first year) - seems like I had somehow misremembered that as 1985 and was hence wondering how 1986 could have been so bad. But yeah, looking at the season summary at touringcarracing.net, it looks like it really was that bad. Little more than a dozen of cars across four classes - that's super-grim.
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Old 1 Feb 2021, 12:14 (Ref:4032775)   #47
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rac wasnt a sponsor
rac (royal automobile club) was the governing body in those days.

like when it used to be called the msa british touring car championship. msa was the governing body not a sponsor
Thanks - my mistake.
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Old 1 Feb 2021, 12:27 (Ref:4032776)   #48
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It always was the RAC who ran the series in those days, they stuck around quite a long time and helped the series get moving
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Old 1 Feb 2021, 13:24 (Ref:4032783)   #49
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Indeed

Many of us know my penchant for threads about BSCC/BTCC and wider touring car history.

I suggest those not aware of the level of discussion that has occurred over time might take a look in the History Forum and you will find loads of appropriate threads - anything from the 50's through to the 90's!

That's my History sales pitch done!

This thread should be moved there please hosts...
And the recent talk of 1986 has been covered previously in the Historic Racing section - https://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120493
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Old 2 Feb 2021, 12:47 (Ref:4032997)   #50
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Anyone remember Ian Heward and his Vauxhall Cavalier in 1996 and 1997?

I seem to recall the tyres he was running were absolutely ancient.
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Old 2 Feb 2021, 18:49 (Ref:4033087)   #51
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Yes I remember Heward, the first season in 96 he was quite a bit off the pace and indeed it took until Round 21 and 22 for the car to finally race. The car was even more ancient come 97, he actually DNQed a few times, which very rarely happened in those, particularly because a car was deemed to slow

Don’t know anything about the tyres, but nothing would surprise me. Considering he could only run a 93 Cavalier suggests his budget was shoestring at best
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Wasnt it the case in the mid-late 90s that the Independant cup runners had a different tyre spec to that of the factory cars? When I say different I mean; "slower".
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Wasnt it the case in the mid-late 90s that the Independant cup runners had a different tyre spec to that of the factory cars? When I say different I mean; "slower".
Yes. Wasn't until the year Matt Neal first won at Donny when they got the same tire as the manufacturer teams
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Wasnt it the case in the mid-late 90s that the Independant cup runners had a different tyre spec to that of the factory cars? When I say different I mean; "slower".
https://1990sbtcc.com/2017/08/03/interview-with-90s-btcc-indy-king-matt-neal/
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Old 3 Feb 2021, 14:38 (Ref:4033254)   #55
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So which has been the best BTCC season from each decade since the 80s? It's hard to pick them out, some seasons were better than others and there were plenty that great in their own way, but it's hard to pick the best
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IIRC it was designed and built by Renault's rally team, and it showed!
Not sure how being built by the Renault Rally team would be seen as a bad thing? 5 Maxi Turbo, Maxi Megane, Clio S1600 - that's not a bad back catalogue?
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Not sure how being built by the Renault Rally team would be seen as a bad thing? 5 Maxi Turbo, Maxi Megane, Clio S1600 - that's not a bad back catalogue?
I assume it was a case of too much 'rally' thought going into the design, and not enough 'circuit'- a case in point, according to Tim Harvey, being the presence of a conventional handbrake, because Jean Ragnotti felt it was neccessary for handbrake turns....

I also can't help wondering if it suffered from being a side project for a team whose main focus was on rally projects?
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Old 4 Feb 2021, 12:02 (Ref:4033411)   #58
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Speaking of Harvey he always says the best cars he ever drove were the Vic Lee BMW.

Got me wondering, Prodrive were running 'works' BMW's at the time, was Lee also getting full backing?

The Prodrive cars won 4 races in 91 (but obviously Hoy took the title in a Lee car) but were easily beaten by Lee's cars in 1992. Sudgen and Menu only managed a podium each in the Prodrive cars

Or were all entries fully BMW backed? They are all down as Manufacturer entries so I guess they were....
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There's some info on the '92 BMWs here - https://tentenths.com/forum/showthre...=128944&page=2

Also remember, the 1991 VL cars were M3s, the 1992 cars were 318s...
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Lol, it was the RACMSA, shortened to RAC and now called the MSA after RAC floated off. Nothing has changed there.

Spouting silly historical non facts really is unhelpful, and doesn’t build a great reputation for a poster...

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