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MOTORS CUP, CIRCUIT BUGATTI LE MANS
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French HVM meeting, but includes a visit by the CSCC.
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 11:13 (Ref:3953112)   #2
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French meeting on the Bugatti track, vey much different from the 24 Hours one.
CSCC Classic, CSCC Modern, NK HTGT and TOYO Tires 7 Race Series.
Other grids are typical french championship but you all are welcome.
May be Andy could help with the name of the CSCC Series, please?
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Old 27 Jan 2020, 07:54 (Ref:3953959)   #3
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Andy, do you think you could come?
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Old 27 Jan 2020, 08:23 (Ref:3953971)   #4
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I'm planning on bringing the Lenham MG to this meeting...
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Old 27 Jan 2020, 09:41 (Ref:3953975)   #5
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Great news, David! Will you bring some tenthers with? Your Lenham is eligible for CSCC Classic, right? If you like to enter it in another french series, let me know I've a reasonably good relationship with Asavé boss, Alain Goupy. In principle he is very much period correct oriented, yes anorak, but why not in invitation class meaning no HTP?
Take care when adjusting your gearing, the pit straight -ligne droite des stands- is longer than appear in the vids…
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Does ASAVE run the Maxi 1300 series? I may be interested.
Thanks for the tip on gearing, better update my spreadsheet and check which spare diff ratios I have!
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Old 27 Jan 2020, 19:23 (Ref:3954099)   #7
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Maxi 1300 is a series in itself and I read they won't go to go this year. I gave two phone calls today just in case, GT Classic and Salooncar are merged for this event. If I'm right the track can legally accept up to 50 and more cars. Still waiting for Asavé answer but you're much welcome in the Salooncar series Claude Maurel is a nice person very much experienced in running a series, ex racer, Franck his son is a good mechanic and racer too. He is specialized in gearboxes, axles and race preparation.

Gearing is a pure nightmare when you go to an unknown place. I recall you do know Dijon track, I would go for the same or maybe what we call "shorter" which means in French slightly lower speed for the same revs as Dijon. Hope I'm clear here…

As soon I get more specific info, I'll PM if its OK with you. Seems Bugatti track is really expensive to rent, lets manage something for your pleasure without flattening your wallet…
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If I remember well, a Capri with 205/60X13, 6500 rpm, is almost comfortable with a 3,44 cwp, the 4th speed being 1:1. Power around 200 hp, weight 1070 kilos. I feel this is no help for you, sorry…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXjE7ghUsBU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPAnQ4hygJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OROmYkjVupo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0aszmbeZ4M
Last one is supposed to be good…

May be this one is better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz9q2No4xKA

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French meeting on the Bugatti track, vey much different from the 24 Hours one.
CSCC Classic, CSCC Modern, NK HTGT and TOYO Tires 7 Race Series.
Other grids are typical french championship but you all are welcome.
May be Andy could help with the name of the CSCC Series, please?
Gerard, I am not sure how many grids CSCC will have at this event; we normally have separate grids for cars from 60s ( Swinging Sixties), 70s and 80s (future classics), 90s (modern classics), 2000s (new millennium) plus separate grids for Tin Tops, Turbo Tin Tops, 7 type cars(magnificent 7s), Special Saloons/Modsports and an Open series if a car doesn’t fit in to any of the above!

I suspect that we will have two grids at this meeting (but not sure); one for the 60s cars and a combined grid for the rest (an Inter-series race, its what happens at our Spa races).

Unfortunately the Toyo 7 series (not a CSCC series) doesn’t allow the wide variety of 7 type cars that CSCC allows in its Magnificent 7 series so my car isn’t eligible for this race. Some of our Magnificent 7 series cars may race in the inter - series race but I don’t like racing a 7 amongst the “heavy metal” so it’s probably not for me.
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Thank you Andy! From your clarification and the website, I'd go for three grids, Future Classics, Modern Classics and Toyo 7. How many cars in NK HTGT will be there, I dont know.

I remember racing the Caterham 1800 in enduro, in the wet the GT drivers, 911's or Vipers, can't see you. And in fact many dont care!
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Gerard, the Toyo 7 series isnt run by CSCC and so we have no choice there, and probably cant race with them unless we join them and comply with their regs, which many of us dont.
We tried to get a joint 7 grid with them stSpa but they dont like being beaten by our quicker class cars!
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Andy, it won't surprise you to learn we've almost the same situation here, Caterhams are not always welcome in some grids because they are too fast, not expensive enough regarding big GT's and the driving level is often high.

Anyway, you know me now, would you like to come and race in France alone or with some friends, no doubt we'll find an arrangement. You are very much welcome.

The NK HTGT grid listed is the Dutch one I guess? Not the english version.
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The NK HTGT grid listed is the Dutch one I guess? Not the english version.
What English version? NKHTGT is Netherlands based, and takes their grids (sometimes big) to other organisers meetings around Europe..... I know several Brits who race with them as they are better value for money than some, and a friendly / sociable crowd!

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OK. Just hope it won't change I know many hands who could make this grid thinner, dramatically increase the fees and definitely spoil the ambiance. Believe me we have experienced people in this area!
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Anyway, you know me now, would you like to come and race in France alone or with some friends, no doubt we'll find an arrangement. You are very much welcome.
Many thanks, Gerard, that’s very kind, we will have to see how far what I laughingly describe as my “budget” can stretch one day.
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