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Old 9 Mar 2020, 09:23 (Ref:3962438)   #1
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HSCC and Frank Lyons

It has been four or five days since Frank Lyons stood down from the HSCC after being found culpable by the MSA Court for what was apparently a social media infraction.


That is quite a seismic event for HSCC since Frank has been a mainstay both as a Committee Member and particularly as a competitor.


What social media offence can possibly trigger such consequences ?
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Old 9 Mar 2020, 10:14 (Ref:3962443)   #2
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Wow. seismic indeed.
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Old 9 Mar 2020, 10:44 (Ref:3962452)   #3
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Yes indeed. I have no idea what he did or said. But it shows that whatever you do, someone is watching you.
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In the current circumstances, we need to do all we can to help local businesses. With this in mind I suggest we all schedule our visits to the pub so we can keep the 2m social distancing and whilst there get completely slamied for two hours before handing over to the next shift.

It probably won't stop the virus but nobody would care.
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Old 9 Mar 2020, 10:52 (Ref:3962453)   #4
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Yes, Frank issued an email statement, and in the interests of clarity, this is a screen print of it......
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Old 9 Mar 2020, 10:54 (Ref:3962454)   #5
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yes, i received that too.
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In the current circumstances, we need to do all we can to help local businesses. With this in mind I suggest we all schedule our visits to the pub so we can keep the 2m social distancing and whilst there get completely slamied for two hours before handing over to the next shift.

It probably won't stop the virus but nobody would care.
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Old 9 Mar 2020, 12:40 (Ref:3962472)   #6
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It has been four or five days since Frank Lyons stood down from the HSCC after being found culpable by the MSA Court for what was apparently a social media infraction.
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How do you know it was for a social media infraction?
If it was related to social media perhaps this may have consequences for other licence holders. I have been critical of some aspects of the MSA/MUK on this forum. Should I be worried?

Very sorry for Frank. He has put a lot of time and effort in his time as chairman and as a competitor.
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Old 9 Mar 2020, 12:59 (Ref:3962473)   #7
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If the MSA are turning into a bunch of 'snowflakes' there'll be some pretty small grids soon

shall I post my license back now ?
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Old 9 Mar 2020, 13:15 (Ref:3962476)   #8
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His letter states that he transgressed the MSA social media rules, so I guess it is something to do with that.... but taking him to an MSA Court, obviously they felt that it was serious whatever it was. And Frank would have fought his corner, I am sure. I guess we have to wait for the next MSA Bulletin with court reports.
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Old 9 Mar 2020, 14:27 (Ref:3962508)   #9
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His letter states that he transgressed the MSA social media rules, so I guess it is something to do with that.... but taking him to an MSA Court, obviously they felt that it was serious whatever it was. And Frank would have fought his corner, I am sure. I guess we have to wait for the next MSA Bulletin with court reports.
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The link refers to this.... https://www.motorsportuk.org/wp-cont...d-Guidance.pdf
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Old 9 Mar 2020, 14:52 (Ref:3962512)   #10
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I have been waiting for this to come up.

The new MSA regulations are having a huge impact everywhere, especially on Facebook, right now

Whole threads have been deleted as racers fear losing their license.

I am in two minds about the whole business

One one hand the idea of stopping online mobbing is completely valid.
On the other hand this means we dont have freedom of speech anymore in the racing community

In the end this comes down to how it is handled.

Even discussing the actual case here is thin ice for license holders

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Old 9 Mar 2020, 14:59 (Ref:3962520)   #11
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Not being a user of, or even understanding the various forms of Social Media, except maybe Ten Tenths, if it is in fact such a thing. I find it difficult to make any kind of sense of the 'Rules' posted here.

I have happily insulted any number of people on this forum. Should I be worried?
Also I have often been the subject of scorn and derision on here. Can I make a complaint to some Quango?

While I do not know Frank personally, I find it hard to believe he would have deliberately set out to malign anyone. Unfortunately too many people like nothing better than to 'take offence'. It is almost a national sport.

I hope that we can see Frank back in action before long. Best wished to him.

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Old 9 Mar 2020, 15:12 (Ref:3962531)   #12
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Nick
How do you know it was for a social media infraction?
If it was related to social media perhaps this may have consequences for other licence holders. I have been critical of some aspects of the MSA/MUK on this forum. Should I be worried?

Very sorry for Frank. He has put a lot of time and effort in his time as chairman and as a competitor.
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"I have been critical of some aspects of the MSA/MUK on this forum. Should I be worried?"

short answer: yes, but I depends when and what was posted

quote from MSA regulations:
"Do not criticise or imply bias in Motorsport UK Officials on social media platforms"

and the catchall phrase:
"Participants should be aware that comments which bring motor sport into disrepute, or are threatening, abusive, indecent or insulting, may lead to disciplinary action before the National Court and which may result in substantial fines or international bans from participation in the sport."


as i said, this will have a huge impact
there will be some high profile cases that will make everybody realise what to do and what not to do in a very short time

I learnt a lot during the last three weeks

I am also violently opposed to any form of:
"threatening, abusive, insulting behaviour"

so I can see what the MSA tries to achieve

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Old 9 Mar 2020, 15:42 (Ref:3962542)   #13
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I am so grateful I had raced in the 70's,80's 90's long before this internet thing.
Life was good, racing was good,dont get me wrong I still love what I do but all this is just a load of Bo--ocks.One thing for sure we are all going to read latest mag from MSA.
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Old 9 Mar 2020, 16:10 (Ref:3962548)   #14
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I am so grateful I had raced in the 70's,80's 90's long before this internet thing.
Life was good, racing was good,dont get me wrong I still love what I do but all this is just a load of Bo--ocks.One thing for sure we are all going to read latest mag from MSA.

I have been wondering about this

to actually repeat the offending posts in print would go against the very idea of the original rule, the MSA in roundabout way would fall foul of their own rule, if they printed the details

but yes, in the proceedings about the decisions, usually reasons are given
personally, I would expect the description of this case and the reasons for the decision to be very general in the magazine
at least, this is how I would handle this

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Old 9 Mar 2020, 16:41 (Ref:3962559)   #15
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Yes - that would probably be a prudent approach. However, they need to be careful to ensure they don't provoke a feeding frenzy of speculation...
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