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Old 31 Jul 2006, 08:56 (Ref:1668614)   #26
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Agree with Peter. Seems as though everyone tried to turn their car into a March! [Titmas put a March shovel nose on his BT40 and I got mighty confused in S.Africa 1977 with both a Chevron B34 and a Wheatcroft running 76 series March bodywork]

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Old 2 Aug 2006, 10:31 (Ref:1670770)   #27
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Agree chaps, thats how I remember the Eden BT40. Where did it go after David Winstanley?
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Old 6 Aug 2006, 12:35 (Ref:1674996)   #28
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Brabham BT40 chassis, 1973 chassis built by Arch Motors who fabricated these chassis for Brabham. This was made for Mike Pilbeam and carries the chassis number MP03 who built it for hillclimbing.

This is a rolling chassis with no engine or gearbox but has everything else. Chassis and all components in fantastic condition.

I also know another BT40 for sale oop norf
i think it went to auction sometime this year not sold i recall
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Old 7 Aug 2006, 15:13 (Ref:1676668)   #29
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Brabham BT40 chassis, 1973 chassis built by Arch Motors who fabricated these chassis for Brabham. This was made for Mike Pilbeam and carries the chassis number MP03 who built it for hillclimbing.

This is a rolling chassis with no engine or gearbox but has everything else. Chassis and all components in fantastic condition.

I also know another BT40 for sale oop norf
i think it went to auction sometime this year not sold i recall
This car is NOT a Brabham. It does not have a Brabham Chassis. The chassis were 'copies' made for the people who put the cars together. Mike Pilbeam agreed to the MP03 chassis number. The actual model is MP22.

See the Pilbeam thread.
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Old 7 Aug 2006, 17:16 (Ref:1676786)   #30
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i did think it was a replica as opposed to a brabham due to the plate but it was all before my time!
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Old 7 Aug 2006, 22:09 (Ref:1677086)   #31
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The tub and corners are identical to my BT40,roll hoop and rear suspension pick up points are not original.Parts have probably come from Arch Motors,don't know how the Brabham name got attached to it.
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Old 7 Aug 2006, 23:35 (Ref:1677139)   #32
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don't know how the Brabham name got attached to it.
Presumably because the value of a BT40 is higher than that of a Pilbeam MP22. A David Hepworth hillclimb car that was built to a Brabham pattern is now racing in historics as a Brabham so I guess this sort of thing is going to happen.

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Old 8 Aug 2006, 08:33 (Ref:1677382)   #33
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... don't know how the Brabham name got attached to it.
Simple really. The car upon which it was based was originally the Alister Douglas-Osborn Brabham BT38. That car was modified twice by Mike Pilbeam first as the R15 then as the R22. When Malcolm Dungworth was developing the new Hillclimb Car for the Waring & Gillow Team he copied the R22 however there were no BT38 tubs about so they had a replica made. Before the first car was completed Mike Pilbeam was invited to inspect the work in progress and was so impressed that he allowed them to (a) call the car a Pilbeam, and (b) use the new format model number for the car (MP22).

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Old 18 Aug 2006, 21:05 (Ref:1686303)   #34
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Here is the list I have of BT40s in Canadian and SCCA races 1973 - 76. This is very incomplete for SCCA and 73-74 in Canada


1973

Alan Lader BT40
Craig Hill BT40 retained 1974
Mike Hall BT40 [Opert]
Ted Titmus BT40-33

South East Asia 1973
John Macdonald BT40 chassis no 35
Albert Poon BT40 kept for years and later raced by his wife
Brian Robertson BT40 [Opert]
also uses BT38 'ex Jaussaud' [Opert] this car also raced by de Adamich for Opert at Caracas, Venezuala


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Alan Karlberg Probably a BT40
Bill Eagles BT40
Craig Hill BT40
Peter Ferguson BT40 at Edmonton [as Ferguson races a Chevron B20 at Westwood and later in the season at Mosport and Halifax I'm guessing that this car is badly damaged at Gimli, the race after Edmonton for which I have no report, or else it was a hire car]

SCCA
Norm Johnson BT40
Dan Carmichael BT40
Mike Hall BT40

1975
Canada
Ron Householder BT40 ex Alan Lader

SCCA
Mike Rand BT40
Ken Duclos BT40-17
John Elder BT40

1976
Howard Kelly BT40 ex Craig Hill


Anybody able to fit any of those into a pattern or offer connections?!!

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Hi Chris:

Ron Householder still has the Alan Lader car in Portland Oregon.

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Old 27 Sep 2006, 12:42 (Ref:1721186)   #35
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I'm ploughing thru' some early '74 A/Spurts now. The Ian Phillips review of the '73 UK FAt season says Eden had 2 BT40s for Cyd Williams. I presume, as Allen guessed above, 1 was bought to replace the one written off early that year.

Anyone any ideas on the Paul Hutson car from 1977-78?
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Old 27 Sep 2006, 15:31 (Ref:1721288)   #36
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I'd say that Hutson's car was almost certainly the ex Williams/Winstanley car.

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Old 28 Sep 2006, 13:17 (Ref:1722055)   #37
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I'd say that Hutson's car was almost certainly the ex Williams/Winstanley car.

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Maybe Chris, tho' IIRC the Hutson car looked like a BT40, unlike the Williams/Winstanley, which didn't ! I wonder if it was the Mallock/Booysen one, or perhaps the De Adamich/O'Leary car?
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Old 3 Oct 2006, 07:47 (Ref:1725983)   #38
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Brabham BT40/32 F2

I spent yesterday looking at this completely original unrestored car,
It has been in Italy for a long time and apears to have seen very little use. The color is red. The race history is unknown. Anyone have any Ideas.
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Old 3 Oct 2006, 07:59 (Ref:1725995)   #39
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Welcome Steve

Relatively few BT40s appeared in F2 and we think we know all of those. However, a F2 spec BT40 might have been bought for French or Swiss hillclimbs which could also explain it looking little used.

Could you post some pictures?

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Old 3 Oct 2006, 08:56 (Ref:1726065)   #40
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Brabham BT40/32 F2

Allen where should I send the photos??
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Old 3 Oct 2006, 09:48 (Ref:1726150)   #41
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If you're likely to post more images in the future, it's worth looking at ImageShack. Alternatively, you can email them to me at allen@oldracingcars.com and I'll be very happy to post them for you.

Allen

PS Do you happen to remember anything about the Brabham you ran in Formula B in 1968? BT21?
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Old 3 Oct 2006, 11:26 (Ref:1726249)   #42
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if u host on image shack do the slide version it allows many fotos saves 6 links and u can see the fotos roll on a neat look on this link if it opens as a sample of how it will look
http://img168.imageshack.us/slidesho...960651e8l.smil
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Old 3 Oct 2006, 13:00 (Ref:1726351)   #43
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Allen,I'll send you the fotos later today.
As for the FB car it was a BT16 with a TC ford. I believe that possibly Allan Moffat had some hand in it.I have some pics if you wish. I had raced a Le Grand Alfa GTA that I built from a kit and I remember how much better the Brabham was,of course that may have been due to winning the first time out.
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Old 3 Oct 2006, 13:19 (Ref:1726378)   #44
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Thanks Steve. That fills in a couple of gaps. Would the LeGrand have been a Mk3? I would be interested in pictures of the BT16 and anything you remember of its history. There were too many BT16s for us ever to stand much chance of sorting them out but every piece that we can place in the jigsaw helps.
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BT40/11 was for sale at the Monza autojumble two years ago, in bits no bodywork,engine or box, incorrect wheels but otherwise fairly sound and unmessed with,with the correct and original chassis plate. Also just too expensive!
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Old 5 Oct 2006, 07:27 (Ref:1728439)   #46
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Thanks Steve. That fills in a couple of gaps. Would the LeGrand have been a Mk3? I would be interested in pictures of the BT16 and anything you remember of its history. There were too many BT16s for us ever to stand much chance of sorting them out but every piece that we can place in the jigsaw helps.

Allen did you recieve my fotos of the BT40?
The legrand was a MK3B
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Steve, yes I did get your pictures but was out all of yesterday and didn't get a chance to post them. Later today, I hope.
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Sooner than I thought!









Click on these for the larger original images that Steve sent me.

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Old 5 Oct 2006, 10:02 (Ref:1728580)   #49
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Allen did you recieve the fotos? I'm told that this car was used in the De Adamich drivers school??? Also couls it be a car driven either by Vittorio venturi or Spartico Dini with a motor prepared by Amaroli???
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BT40-32

Coys sale to be held at Padova, 28th October, Lot 126 €35-40,000


"A number of cars were converted to the new 2-litre formula, particularly in Italy, were they ran competitively for several seasons.
The example you see here today had an active racing career in Italy and has recently been restored. These single seaters are now eligible for a number of events including hill-climbs."

Looks like Coys don't know much either!

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