If Skaife and HRT are so bad why are they winning?

Ozenigma · 19 Apr 2002, 10:49 (Ref:264697)

Just thought i would throw this up to see what comes of it, Bit like F1 at the moment but is it one team is good or the others are bad?:confused: I dont follow HRT but i must admit by whatever means they are fast to the point that even Bright looks ok

Gunslinger · 19 Apr 2002, 22:58 (Ref:265270)

I don't get it?

Crash Test · 19 Apr 2002, 23:52 (Ref:265316)

It's tall poppy syndrone- and I agree- I don't like it... makes it pretty boring most of the time and easy people in tipping comps

marcus · 20 Apr 2002, 01:59 (Ref:265414)

yep , if you ask me most of the other teams need injecting with some HRT

mac · 20 Apr 2002, 04:58 (Ref:265446)

Quote:

Originally posted by Ozenigma
I dont follow HRT but i must admit by whatever means they are fast to the point that even Bright looks ok

Bright is a quality driver. I reckon by the end of this year he will be consistently quicker than Skaife. You don't do what he's done in single seaters without being a good pedaller.

Amaroo Park · 20 Apr 2002, 09:52 (Ref:265549)

What a load of RUBBISH. Tall Poppy syndrome my arse. The reason they are doing so well has to do with the amount of money that goes into their bank account every year rather than talent. You are right though if every other team had a bit of HRT injected into them they would go better, So what is the chances of HRT giving out money to other teams because that is the bottom line.

Crash Test · 20 Apr 2002, 12:06 (Ref:265607)

It's the tall poppy syndrone that makes them unpopular with a lot of the people around here- shoot I'm sure a lot of Holden punters wouldn't mind seeing a Ford win once in a while. Of course it's money, but the thing that they have done, is obviously spent it in the right places. It's no good giving a blank cheque to an ape, he'd probably use it for toilet paper. Some teams probably spend more money on presentation and PR, and less on their cars... which should get priority?

Go the Fords!

Amaroo Park · 20 Apr 2002, 12:19 (Ref:265614)

How is Tall Poppy Syndrome. The only reason they are unpopular is because they making our sport BORING. I don't know if many of you realise but for EVERY Holden sold around the country HRT get around $40.00. Now add to that what they get with their sposorships, Merchandising etc and tell me that they are not the best funded team in Australian Motorsport by a HUUGE margin....

marcus · 21 Apr 2002, 03:25 (Ref:266072)

wow , i didnt know they got $40 for every holden sold >??????

and im not denying that they are the best funded team , of course they are and they use is wisely is the thing, in the Craig Lowndes interview in AA over the past few weeks , he said he cant see anything different between what HRT have and )) motorsport have , just that HRT use it more wisely in the areas they need to, its their organization that has given them an edge to get the cars even faster and more consistant , but to do that of course they need a huge budget and thats exactly what they have and now they get 40 bucks for every holden sold ???

thats amazing , i guess ford dont do anything like that do they ???
heck they dont even know what team they would give it to ?
and as crash said i would like to see a ford win , in fact at PI I was cheering Ambrose on in race one , what an awesome effort and of course im a holden fan

i dont know what the answer is , obviously the other teams just cant seem to keep up , they seem to get a little closer but HRT pull something else out of the bag and move away again, so maybe if the other teams cant keep up , then the organisers should start looking at ways of bringing HRT (and not all the holdens) back to the field, i totally agree with that as its a parity formula and HRT seem to be dominating , so penalise them and not poor old Tomas Mezera in Mike Imries car who is struggling to qualify at every event anyway.

everyone loves a winner , but from what i have experienced us aussies seem to love the underdogs just as much and to see someone do something when the odds are against them is great and is something special , i guess thats why quite a few people dislike HRT cause in no way are they the underdogs and are seen as some kind of corperate company trying to squash the underdogs.

now none of that probably made sense at all !!!!!!

calais · 21 Apr 2002, 12:00 (Ref:266260)

thats a bit slack.
i used to sell new cars and i'd be lucky if i made 50 to 100 dollars a car!!!!!!! and bloody HRT get 40 bucks for every car sold!!!!!!!!
maybe it was because i was selling fords!!!!!!!!!

Bomn · 21 Apr 2002, 13:11 (Ref:266312)

Maybe HRT should have $40 taken off them for every Ford sold.

Mr Squiggle · 22 Apr 2002, 04:58 (Ref:266989)

Quote:

Originally posted by mac

You don't do what he's done in single seaters without being a good pedaller.

What's that Mac? Destroy gearboxes and stall on the starting grid (Albert Park 1997? fiasco).

Mr Squiggle · 22 Apr 2002, 05:02 (Ref:266991)

A lot of HRT's advantage is not in the mega buck budget but the access to TWR's brainstorm's from Arrows and whatever else Uncle Tom has his fingers in at the moment. Gentlemen, this is not an easy thing to overcome. What would take any mortal team weeks/months to figure out is emailed to Notting Hill in seconds.
HRT don't use Pi Research System6 Pro data acqisition for no reason.

Amaroo Park · 25 Apr 2002, 11:15 (Ref:270227)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by marcus
[B]wow , i didnt know they got $40 for every holden sold >??????
Holden started doing that when the HRT was going through a rough patch in the early ninties and have continued to do it ever since.

Mr Squiggle · 25 Apr 2002, 15:52 (Ref:270445)

That's a fair thing for HRT as they were instrumetal in creating the myth that is HSV. Even today when a Clubsport makes no sense to buy over an SS they still pump them out as quick as they can make them.
Of course, all this does nothing for the sport.

Dachau · 2 May 2002, 03:36 (Ref:276091)

HRT and Skaife remind me of Ferrari and Schumi. The top team for years, with the top driver. The 2nd driver also is similar to Rubens. 4 times champs....the only thing missing is a midget in charge..LOL.
I support Holden, but dont like HRT or Skaife, make sense?
Dunno.

Emfa · 2 May 2002, 04:06 (Ref:276100)

Quote:

Originally posted by Dachau
...
I support Holden, but don't like HRT or Skaife, make sense?

Sure does. I feel exactly the same way.

Amaroo Park · 2 May 2002, 10:44 (Ref:276288)

Quote:

Originally posted by Emfa
Sure does. I feel exactly the same way.

I think the only bloke that likes Mark is old Russell

Emfa · 2 May 2002, 15:34 (Ref:276493)

You may be right Bondy. What about Uncle Jeff though?

Amaroo Park · 19 May 2002, 07:01 (Ref:289924)

So how many people do you reckon turned the TV off or turned over to another chanel when they realised that we where in for more of the same today. And anyone reckons that this isn't hurting the sport is on drugs.

calais · 19 May 2002, 07:10 (Ref:289926)

i for one, did not watch ANY of todays telecast.
why bother, it is a given fact that australia's version of ferrari was going to win, with skafemacher and brightichello up front

racer69 · 19 May 2002, 07:38 (Ref:289940)

I watched it but channel flicked as well, anyway, i found out who won the first race today on sportswatch before the race started, i know this is an old statement, but so much for all the 'live coverage' TC shoves down our throats every time he talks TV coverage.

RaceTime · 19 May 2002, 07:41 (Ref:289941)

There is another reason HRT are at the front - yes they are usually quickest in qualifying - but look at the tracks these days - howmuch passing do you actually see?

If you can't pass, you can't improve your positin - the closer you get to the top ten, the more unlikely it is to be able to pass anyone infront of you.

Parity has its downsides as well....

Bomn · 20 May 2002, 10:35 (Ref:290092)

SBS had the curling world championships. Much more exciting.

Morris 1100 · 20 May 2002, 10:40 (Ref:290098)

I went for the Charles Dickens classic David Copperfield on the ABC and don't forget to tune in next week for part 2!

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