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13 Sep 2019, 18:11 (Ref:3927765) | #1826 | ||
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Thought that would be your answer. It does not comply with the treaty..
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Peter, pretty well all EU countries have criteria for EU citizens who wish to reside in their countries, except, of course, the UK. Sweden, and I think Denmark, have a similar policy to Spain. I have yet to hear of any EU directives to any EU country to stop them implementing their residency rules. However, around 2012, the EU did stop Spain from making it mandatory to have a resident's card. Which was a bit of a pain as many retail outlets would insist on seeing the card if you were making a payment with a debit/credit card. People then had to start carrying their passport around. |
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Everyone should have some ... and they often do. Just not the same Standards despite (or should that be "to spite"?) the EU. This article seems to point out some of the differences in interpretation of 'standards' between the UK and France. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...terstroke.html Quite tempting in many ways. It sounds like living in the EU but without having to take its rules and edicts seriously. I'm not at all sure that is entirely the way things are. I have some friends living elsewhere in France who somewhat bemoan its bureaucracy in their region. |
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Laws are different for each country. Despite the EUs guidelines, every country is allowed to have it’s own laws. Spain has it’s own problems with unemployment and the like. Obviously the EU are not interfering, although they can help while necessary
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I mean - airports? Given the EU's stance on the Climate and Pollution why on earth are they trying to encourage people to travel by building airports? No answer required of course. Airbus Industries would have to be discussed if they tried to take a position on the question and no one, especially the French, would like that. |
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It's not guidelines. It's law.
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Meanwhile, a sign that the UK is regaining independence, if only for 3 months, and in Morrisons...… I wonder if they'll be original price and original size (no chance)….
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/foodanddri...cid=spartandhp |
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When these come out would one of you who lives in the Capital get one & post it to me please? (I've always wanted to say I'd done a London Marathon!)
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For the benefit of Mike Harte, this is the freedom of movement clause in the current EU Treaty. There can be no exceptions unless the EU itself makes them. Ergo, the Spanish government example is not compliant.
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Peter, I think that you will find that the treaty applies to workers, which I acknowledged initially. My point is that EU member countries are within their rights to set their own regulations to those who are non-workers which is what Spain and some others have done.
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No it says, Every citizen of the Union shall have the right to move and reside freely. No mention of any further requirements. I've emphasized it for your benefit.
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Meanwhile, you are ignoring the part: subject to the limitations and conditions laid down in the Treaties and by the measures adopted to give them effect. If you look at the notes or explanations to the treaty, you will see that it refers to workers. Which is why Spain allows free movement of EU citizens, and gives them 6 months to settle in to employment, or for non-workers, to provide evidence that they can support themselves without resorting to the Spanish welfare system. Sweden, for example, only gives 3 months, I believe. |
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Actually no I'm not ignoring that. The only restrictions and limitations, other than for national security or public health, are for non-schengen EU citizens; as such UK citizens are only permitted to stay in any EU state for 90 days without employment. It does not work in the reverse. That's probably why the UK government have issued that advice for Spain. It won't apply to any other EU citizens.
It's all here if you want to take the time to read it. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...202EN.01004701 Edit: Here's an example which repeats the freedom of movement principle: Quote:
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And just to bore everyone even more: This is the article applicable to employment.
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I saw my first Brexit warning on a Highways Information gantry today. On the A19 heading north towards Newcastle - there was only one so I can't remember the exact wording, something like:
Freight transport papers required may change on 1st November, please check and keep up to date. I presume that's a Brexit thing? Didn't say where to check of course..... |
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They’re everywhere, Gary! Especially on Mways heading for ports.....
Still, makes a change from ‘pedestrians reported’ and all the other crap! |
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Didn't realise that. Show's how much motorway driving I've done this year! Haven't even been to a race meeting this season for the first time in many years.
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In fairness to you the messages have only just arrived on the gantries! Likely since all this ‘operation willow warbler’ stuff came out into the open....
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Gary, being up north I'm surprised you didn't know that Newcastle was Freight Permit Central back in the day. 2 lovely ladies spent their days issuing international freight permits and they're probably still sat there, wondering why the phone hasn't rung for a while. Of course, they only dealt with 1% of permits issued. The rest were got from the local printers. I've kept pretty quiet on the B word lately but have followed the debate of course. However I'm pretty sure none of the Leavers ever endured the misery of "standing on the stairs" at Dover. Ask any old trucker if they want to go back to that era and you'll get a short and succinct explanation of the pro's and con's of the free market. That said, I believe we should have gone with the vote, and done it quickly. The growing national division means what would have taken 20 years to work through will instead take 50. What a load of **** we're leaving for our children to sort out. |
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If they have any sense the children would make an effort to move elsewhere. Sadly where "elsewhere" might be, if it offers advantages, is not so easily spotted. They will have to live with the world as it comes at them.' The grandchildren even more so. Current problems are rarely of the vacating generation's making. More likely them trying to make the best of whatever has gone before. Civilisation seems to oscillate like that. Then it tends to disappear for a few centuries. |
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Hopefully it won’t come to them moving elsewhere. Hopefully we can continue the good things of this country. We will always have our disagreements. But things aren’t all bad. Of course things in civilisation ain’t what it used to be. But there is still hope somewhere. We’ll see what the future holds
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